FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso.
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This is very unusual. Aside from the disruption- it closes a large metropolitan airport for 10 days- no advance notice was given. So this isn’t for some planned event or operation.
@mattblaze Struck me as highly atypical as well. Are you aware of a precedent (beyond 9/11, if even that was)?
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@mattblaze Struck me as highly atypical as well. Are you aware of a precedent (beyond 9/11, if even that was)?
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@mattblaze Struck me as highly atypical as well. Are you aware of a precedent (beyond 9/11, if even that was)?
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I just hope it's not an attempt to stave off a new pandemic of some kind.
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FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso. No flights are permitted from ground level to 18000 feet, grounding all flights to/from the El Paso airport (KELP).
Designed as “national defense airspace”, with “deadly force authorized if aircraft determined to pose a security threat”.
No reason given
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FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso. No flights are permitted from ground level to 18000 feet, grounding all flights to/from the El Paso airport (KELP).
Designed as “national defense airspace”, with “deadly force authorized if aircraft determined to pose a security threat”.
No reason given
@mattblaze Probably another Trump whim.
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I just hope it's not an attempt to stave off a new pandemic of some kind.
@joyce @mattblaze @douglevin sadly I think the people in charge don't care about pandemics so that probably isn't it. Maybe we're invading Mexico 🤪 Pretty disturbing they didn't provide a reason
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@joyce @mattblaze @douglevin sadly I think the people in charge don't care about pandemics so that probably isn't it. Maybe we're invading Mexico 🤪 Pretty disturbing they didn't provide a reason
@Jennifer @mattblaze @douglevin
You're probably right. Just an early-morning scary thought.
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This is very unusual. Aside from the disruption- it closes a large metropolitan airport for 10 days- no advance notice was given. So this isn’t for some planned event or operation.
@mattblaze - Yeah, this is weird. The airport didn't know why. The city govt didnt know why. Even the FAA's own Special Operations Support Center didnt know why.
The abruptness and lack of coordination - on top of the length of period and complete lockdown even of medical, military, and police (in addition to cargo and passenger) air - is astounding.
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@mattblaze - Yeah, this is weird. The airport didn't know why. The city govt didnt know why. Even the FAA's own Special Operations Support Center didnt know why.
The abruptness and lack of coordination - on top of the length of period and complete lockdown even of medical, military, and police (in addition to cargo and passenger) air - is astounding.
@mattblaze - My gut tells me this is probably being done for some stupid or contrived (or at least blown out of proportion) reason. Whoever (full chain of command such as it is) issued this probably doesnt know or care about the consequences and ramifications of these actions.
But I have no idea.
Hide and watch for the time being, I guess.
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FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso. No flights are permitted from ground level to 18000 feet, grounding all flights to/from the El Paso airport (KELP).
Designed as “national defense airspace”, with “deadly force authorized if aircraft determined to pose a security threat”.
No reason given
@mattblaze Also, AFAIK* “National Defense Airspace” isn’t actually a thing that exists in law or regulation.
TFRs do, of course, but that particular designation, along with the specific rules, appears to be made up for this purpose.
It’s perhaps a nitpick—a TFR can basically impose whatever restrictions deemed necessary. But that phrase doesn’t mean anything legally.
It’s extra weird, is what I’m saying.
*as an instructor certificate holder; also worked a bit on airspace data models for FAA
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@mattblaze - Yeah, this is weird. The airport didn't know why. The city govt didnt know why. Even the FAA's own Special Operations Support Center didnt know why.
The abruptness and lack of coordination - on top of the length of period and complete lockdown even of medical, military, and police (in addition to cargo and passenger) air - is astounding.
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/670536-el-paso-closed.html#post12035668
“Well given the proximity to Fort Bliss and the Mexican border. It has been suggested it's a precursor to a raid into Ciudad Juarez to snatch or attack a cartel figure.
Closing the airspace would avoid friendly fire incidents.
Unprecedented though. What the Mexican government would make of that scenario is another thing.”
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FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso. No flights are permitted from ground level to 18000 feet, grounding all flights to/from the El Paso airport (KELP).
Designed as “national defense airspace”, with “deadly force authorized if aircraft determined to pose a security threat”.
No reason given
@mattblaze They just got a new truckload of the good chicken nuggets and they don't want the Coast Guard coming in and devouring them all again.
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@mattblaze - My gut tells me this is probably being done for some stupid or contrived (or at least blown out of proportion) reason. Whoever (full chain of command such as it is) issued this probably doesnt know or care about the consequences and ramifications of these actions.
But I have no idea.
Hide and watch for the time being, I guess.
@tinker yeah. It’s either an incredibly dumb reason or an incredibly scary reason. Incredibly dumb is more likely than it once was, but we still can’t rule out incredibly scary.
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@mattblaze Also, AFAIK* “National Defense Airspace” isn’t actually a thing that exists in law or regulation.
TFRs do, of course, but that particular designation, along with the specific rules, appears to be made up for this purpose.
It’s perhaps a nitpick—a TFR can basically impose whatever restrictions deemed necessary. But that phrase doesn’t mean anything legally.
It’s extra weird, is what I’m saying.
*as an instructor certificate holder; also worked a bit on airspace data models for FAA
@curtosis “National defense airspace” is also
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I just hope it's not an attempt to stave off a new pandemic of some kind.
@joyce @douglevin That wouldn’t make sense. If it were a public health emergency involving the airport, they’d just close the airport, not the airspace around it.
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@tinker yeah. It’s either an incredibly dumb reason or an incredibly scary reason. Incredibly dumb is more likely than it once was, but we still can’t rule out incredibly scary.
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@joyce @douglevin That wouldn’t make sense. If it were a public health emergency involving the airport, they’d just close the airport, not the airspace around it.
You're right. As I posted already, just an early-morning scary thought.
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https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/670536-el-paso-closed.html#post12035668
“Well given the proximity to Fort Bliss and the Mexican border. It has been suggested it's a precursor to a raid into Ciudad Juarez to snatch or attack a cartel figure.
Closing the airspace would avoid friendly fire incidents.
Unprecedented though. What the Mexican government would make of that scenario is another thing.”
@stepheneb @tinker @mattblaze
But then you wouldn't shut it down for 10 days. You wouldn't shut it down at all, because that would put the target being snatched on notice.And if something like that were happening in any sort of cooperation with Mexico, you'd see a similar shut down on their side of the border. And if it's happening without cooperation, it's another invasion, like Venezuela except with a lot more consequences and a press release beforehand to warn the targets.
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Is it too cynical to suggest this is a wag-the-dog on DHS funding?
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