I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is.

[stumpythemutt@social.linux.pizza]

@Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

[nymnympseudonymm@mstdn.science]

@StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert typical example: program dumps core under crazy ass stress coverage test

[mdhughes@appdot.net]

@bert_hubert Software engineering maybe isn't LOC, but it does require knowing vaguely what's happening in a program you claim you wrote.

I'll stick to writing lines of code.

[hobbs@dobbs.town]

@bert_hubert not directly related but this reminds me of the time a client got mad that i deleted some code in the process of refactoring because "they paid for that code"

[unlofl@mstdn.social]

@andrybak @bert_hubert Lets not forget digging through jira for hours going "oh wait, heres a related... oh fuck this even worse than I thought" over and over again

[woody@pleroma.pch.net]

@bert_hubert

Of course not, that's for the olds. It has something to do with vibing.

[josh@hactivedirectory.com]

@bert_hubert Pfft no. It's Jira. <runs>

[drscriptt@oldbytes.space]

@Nymnympseudonymm @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert I dare say that a lot of the investigation has been done to identify the behavioral problem by the time you get to this point. I think this work effort is where much over hyped automation fails.

[drscriptt@oldbytes.space]

@abucci @bert_hubert the people that researched and authored said blogs were very serious. Sadly many of those paying said authors to do the work that prompted the articles weren’t equally serious.

[troed@masto.sangberg.se]

@bert_hubert In the 90s we had the "Programmer productivity can be measured as LoC".

AI productivity measures seem to be the same ...

[abucci@buc.ci]

@drscriptt@oldbytes.space @bert_hubert@eupolicy.social I personally know more than one person who's spent years writing about some method, let's say TDD, going to conferences presenting their ideas etc, fully independently of their employer. Said folks are now slinging AI slop and writing about how great LLMs are. Blaming the employer doesn't pass a smell test.

[root42@chaos.social]

@bert_hubert just let the AI spew out code. Who needs software architects anyway?

[n_dimension@infosec.exchange]

@bert_hubert

Why waste weeks on design
When you could waste six months on coding?

[mark@mdft.social]

@bert_hubert we're going to have to express technical debt in kiloyears now

[bo@floss.social]

@bert_hubert
It is crazy how we never really moved on from bonusses from more LoC.

[nightmared@mastodon.nightmared.fr]

@root42 @bert_hubert I have seen so many weird takes on IA these last few days, it took me a long time to understand this is sarcasm, and not another take from someone that believes Claude is a better architect than the people with actual domain experience. Sorry, that's on me!

I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law never loses 😅

[jeroenbaten@mastodon.nl]

@bert_hubert wait, it isn't?

[spdrnl@sigmoid.social]

@bert_hubert Every program without a specification is bug free!

[shelldozer@oldbytes.space]

@StumpyTheMutt @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert

https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

[nymnympseudonymm@mstdn.science]

@drscriptt @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Once you invest that -- which you should have anyway, good docs, instructions for new contributors -- you have a loop that turns GPU cycles into bug fixes.