Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

[stefanalvemo@mastodon.social]

Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

[suneauken@mastodon.world]

@StefanAlvemo Hard agree.

[jfmezei@cosocial.ca]

@StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

[stefanalvemo@mastodon.social]

@jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

[jfmezei@cosocial.ca]

@StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

[sjoba@mastodon.social]

@StefanAlvemo
Just det!

[swoonie@mastodon.ie]

@StefanAlvemo
Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

[markdevries@mstdn.social]

@StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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@StefanAlvemo
Yup proves one thing: the EU is NOT a democratic institution. But then you support the Nazis in Ukraine and their dictator.

[samiamsam@mastodon.social]

@StefanAlvemo

boot hungary

add Ukraine immediately

[veza85ue@eupolicy.social]

@swoonie @StefanAlvemo Didn't we just finish financing a rail link to Ukraine via Hungary? Punching a hole in the EU map right on Ukraine's border seems a bit shortsighted given the timelines involved in even the most rushed EU Treaty change process. By the time we'd have a mechanism in place, Orbán's cholesterol will have long put him out of commission.

That said, I don't mind this being THE casus belli for treaty change, it just wouldn't even make it into my top 10 priorities for #EUreform

[stefanalvemo@mastodon.social]

@markdevries Completely agree... in favour of Qualified Majority.

[sobex@social.sciences.re]

@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.

(Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)

[clickhere@mastodon.ie]

@StefanAlvemo I agree (I think) in principle; but it's the how that troubles me: there isn't really an effective mechanism under the Treaties that will allow this, afaik.

Or has that changed? 🤞🏼

[falcennial@mastodon.social]

@StefanAlvemo one time was too many. the enemy states should be forced into submission.

[oneiros@ruhr.social]

@StefanAlvemo
Nope. We should work around them.
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[robo105@mastodon.social]

@StefanAlvemo How about we trade Hungary for all of Ukraine which would include Crimea of course

[arenacops@infosec.exchange]

@StefanAlvemo Putin's sitting at the EU table.
On Orban's shoulders.

[gerardthornley@hachyderm.io]

@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

[wlonk@mastodon.transneptune.net]

@StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.