Has Gaza done better with Donald Trump or Joseph Biden as President of the United States?
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I think this is a hard question; it might even be an obscene question. Tens of thousands died before and after Trump took office. As one commenter put it, there is no "better" in a genocide.
But the question seems to keep coming up, and it probably will more as we head into the 2026 midterm election season in the US. Are Arab Americans right or wrong to pressure Democrats to more vigorously oppose the genocide in Gaza? One aspect that comes up in discourse is whether things have been worse or better since Trump took office.
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But the question seems to keep coming up, and it probably will more as we head into the 2026 midterm election season in the US. Are Arab Americans right or wrong to pressure Democrats to more vigorously oppose the genocide in Gaza? One aspect that comes up in discourse is whether things have been worse or better since Trump took office.
I did some back of the envelope calculations. They are dark; I'm sorry. But according to the best official figures available, about 47K people had died in Gaza by Jan 2025; the number in November is about 71K. So, about 3100 people per month died since Oct 7 in Gaza under Biden; about 2500 per month under Trump.
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I did some back of the envelope calculations. They are dark; I'm sorry. But according to the best official figures available, about 47K people had died in Gaza by Jan 2025; the number in November is about 71K. So, about 3100 people per month died since Oct 7 in Gaza under Biden; about 2500 per month under Trump.
That is some disgusting meat grinder math, and I'm sorry I did it.
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That is some disgusting meat grinder math, and I'm sorry I did it.
Also, there was about 1 week of a ceasefire under Biden, and about 10 weeks in the 2 ceasefires, poorly observed, under Trump.
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Also, there was about 1 week of a ceasefire under Biden, and about 10 weeks in the 2 ceasefires, poorly observed, under Trump.
One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.
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One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.
Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.
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Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.
I don't know what this means for US politics. Should Arab Americans and pro-Palestinian allies vote blue no matter who next year?
Should they STFU and avoid putting pressure on Democratic candidates to commit to an arms embargo, recognition of the State of Palestine, or other controversial pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide positions?
Or, conversely, should they use this opportunity and their leverage to pull the party in the direction to actively oppose crimes against humanity?
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I don't know what this means for US politics. Should Arab Americans and pro-Palestinian allies vote blue no matter who next year?
Should they STFU and avoid putting pressure on Democratic candidates to commit to an arms embargo, recognition of the State of Palestine, or other controversial pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide positions?
Or, conversely, should they use this opportunity and their leverage to pull the party in the direction to actively oppose crimes against humanity?
Anyways, I'm sorry to ask hard questions. This is the world we live in.
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Anyways, I'm sorry to ask hard questions. This is the world we live in.
I would like to hear from at least some people who said "much better Biden", though. That seems like a hard case to make.
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@evan the correct answer is not on this list, which is that they both suck
@shantini I agree.
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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@gerardocanfora purtroppo nemmeno il successo di "c'è ancora domani" ha convinto gli elettori a tornare a votare
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@quephird huzzah for antiseizure meds and cats!
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@jackemled @danirabbit the law of mechanical reproduction also applies here: if you take something apart and put it back together again enough times eventually you will have two of them.
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@shantini I agree.
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@danirabbit "Take apart your gender" I can't put it back together again :(
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If any font needs to be banned, it should be Trebuchet MS...
Inter all the things!!!!
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I would like to hear from at least some people who said "much better Biden", though. That seems like a hard case to make.
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Anyways, I'm sorry to ask hard questions. This is the world we live in.
