Has Gaza done better with Donald Trump or Joseph Biden as President of the United States?
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I did some back of the envelope calculations. They are dark; I'm sorry. But according to the best official figures available, about 47K people had died in Gaza by Jan 2025; the number in November is about 71K. So, about 3100 people per month died since Oct 7 in Gaza under Biden; about 2500 per month under Trump.
That is some disgusting meat grinder math, and I'm sorry I did it.
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That is some disgusting meat grinder math, and I'm sorry I did it.
Also, there was about 1 week of a ceasefire under Biden, and about 10 weeks in the 2 ceasefires, poorly observed, under Trump.
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Also, there was about 1 week of a ceasefire under Biden, and about 10 weeks in the 2 ceasefires, poorly observed, under Trump.
One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.
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One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.
Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.
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Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.
I don't know what this means for US politics. Should Arab Americans and pro-Palestinian allies vote blue no matter who next year?
Should they STFU and avoid putting pressure on Democratic candidates to commit to an arms embargo, recognition of the State of Palestine, or other controversial pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide positions?
Or, conversely, should they use this opportunity and their leverage to pull the party in the direction to actively oppose crimes against humanity?
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I don't know what this means for US politics. Should Arab Americans and pro-Palestinian allies vote blue no matter who next year?
Should they STFU and avoid putting pressure on Democratic candidates to commit to an arms embargo, recognition of the State of Palestine, or other controversial pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide positions?
Or, conversely, should they use this opportunity and their leverage to pull the party in the direction to actively oppose crimes against humanity?
Anyways, I'm sorry to ask hard questions. This is the world we live in.
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Anyways, I'm sorry to ask hard questions. This is the world we live in.
I would like to hear from at least some people who said "much better Biden", though. That seems like a hard case to make.
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I would like to hear from at least some people who said "much better Biden", though. That seems like a hard case to make.
@evan I've been pretty anti Palestinian since I was in an attack by abu nidal in 1985 - so I'm hardly objective - but it seems like Trump has forced Hamas to give up whatever leverage they had while the Israelis seem to be more or less continuing to settle and otherwise colonize the Gaza strip. So it certainly seems like Gaza is worse for Gazans under Trump.
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@evan the correct answer is not on this list, which is that they both suck
@shantini I agree.
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@evan I've been pretty anti Palestinian since I was in an attack by abu nidal in 1985 - so I'm hardly objective - but it seems like Trump has forced Hamas to give up whatever leverage they had while the Israelis seem to be more or less continuing to settle and otherwise colonize the Gaza strip. So it certainly seems like Gaza is worse for Gazans under Trump.
@wschenk I'm sorry that happened to you.
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@wschenk I'm sorry that happened to you.
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If we do not stop to help each other, what will we become?
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@gerardocanfora purtroppo nemmeno il successo di "c'è ancora domani" ha convinto gli elettori a tornare a votare
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@quephird huzzah for antiseizure meds and cats!
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@jackemled @danirabbit the law of mechanical reproduction also applies here: if you take something apart and put it back together again enough times eventually you will have two of them.
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You ordered a pizza, cash on delivery. 35 minutes later, a cop car pulls up to your door. The cop knocks on your door. The cop is holding a pizza.
What do you do?
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@shantini I agree.
