Has Gaza done better with Donald Trump or Joseph Biden as President of the United States?

[evan@cosocial.ca]

One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

I don't know what this means for US politics. Should Arab Americans and pro-Palestinian allies vote blue no matter who next year?

Should they STFU and avoid putting pressure on Democratic candidates to commit to an arms embargo, recognition of the State of Palestine, or other controversial pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide positions?

Or, conversely, should they use this opportunity and their leverage to pull the party in the direction to actively oppose crimes against humanity?

[evan@cosocial.ca]

Anyways, I'm sorry to ask hard questions. This is the world we live in.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

I would like to hear from at least some people who said "much better Biden", though. That seems like a hard case to make.

[wschenk@floss.social]

@evan I've been pretty anti Palestinian since I was in an attack by abu nidal in 1985 - so I'm hardly objective - but it seems like Trump has forced Hamas to give up whatever leverage they had while the Israelis seem to be more or less continuing to settle and otherwise colonize the Gaza strip. So it certainly seems like Gaza is worse for Gazans under Trump.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@shantini I agree.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@wschenk I'm sorry that happened to you.

[wschenk@floss.social]

@evan The word terrorism has been hijacked politically and lost its moral clarity to express a fairly profound chaotic horror, but it very definitely forces you into a moral calculus where you have to compare and rank what you call "obscene questions". How does the 75K (children + adults) killed in Gaza compare to the 500K children killed in Sudan, and what is our responsibility as those with power to either ongoing events.

[wschenk@floss.social]

@evan But I do find your question really strange to be honest: the republicans are happy to give Israel cart blanch and are overtly trying to bring about the christian eschaton, and they are actively hostile to the Palestinians. Muslim bans, etc. The democrats are at least paying lip service to the Palestinian cause. Things will be 1000% percent better for the Arabs under the democrats.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@wschenk sure, but the raw carnage was worse under Biden than under Trump. For his own weird reasons, some personal and some isolationist, he puts a premium on peace, just or unjust.