Which is most important?
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@evan There is no utility in protocols, platforms, or products without the people
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@evan There is no utility in protocols, platforms, or products without the people
@quillmatiq does that make people the most important part of the system?
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@quillmatiq does that make people the most important part of the system?
@evan yes 🙂↕️! why would we be here if it weren't for the people we build communities with? When social platforms change for the worse, isn't our first reaction "but I don't want to leave my people"?
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@evan yes 🙂↕️! why would we be here if it weren't for the people we build communities with? When social platforms change for the worse, isn't our first reaction "but I don't want to leave my people"?
@quillmatiq I tend to agree, but I'm disputing for the enjoyment of the question.
Without the products, platforms, and protocols, the people would be distant and isolated. Most communications devices are products. I think you could make a case that spoken language is a protocol.
Without communications, people are isolated. We're barely people in a meaningful sense.
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@quillmatiq I tend to agree, but I'm disputing for the enjoyment of the question.
Without the products, platforms, and protocols, the people would be distant and isolated. Most communications devices are products. I think you could make a case that spoken language is a protocol.
Without communications, people are isolated. We're barely people in a meaningful sense.
@evan my assumption was that the context is online social networks rather than something broader! But, I think the point still stands that without people, the other P's hold no value, but people hold value regardless of all the other P's.
What is the value of a language if no one ever exists to speak it?
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@quillmatiq I tend to agree, but I'm disputing for the enjoyment of the question.
Without the products, platforms, and protocols, the people would be distant and isolated. Most communications devices are products. I think you could make a case that spoken language is a protocol.
Without communications, people are isolated. We're barely people in a meaningful sense.
@quillmatiq emergent phenomena arise from networks of communicating, connected humans. Like cultures, religions, political movements, nation states. One term I've seen is intersubjectivity, the things that only exist between people:
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@evan my assumption was that the context is online social networks rather than something broader! But, I think the point still stands that without people, the other P's hold no value, but people hold value regardless of all the other P's.
What is the value of a language if no one ever exists to speak it?
@quillmatiq yeah, it's a bit of rug pull to zoom out on other pre-Internet networks, like telephones, writing, and local newspapers.
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@quillmatiq emergent phenomena arise from networks of communicating, connected humans. Like cultures, religions, political movements, nation states. One term I've seen is intersubjectivity, the things that only exist between people:
@quillmatiq I think it takes some extreme individualism, which definitely isn't universal, to say that a person is more important than their city, religion, or country.
(I think this is an extreme over-extension of my point, though. Even if emergent entities arise from Internet communications networks in the same way they did from pre-Internet communications networks, we're not at a point (yet?) where people are willing to put the good of their Subreddit above their own needs.)
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@quillmatiq I think it takes some extreme individualism, which definitely isn't universal, to say that a person is more important than their city, religion, or country.
(I think this is an extreme over-extension of my point, though. Even if emergent entities arise from Internet communications networks in the same way they did from pre-Internet communications networks, we're not at a point (yet?) where people are willing to put the good of their Subreddit above their own needs.)
@evan I specifically didn't say "person", I said "people" 🙂
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@evan I specifically didn't say "person", I said "people" 🙂
@quillmatiq touché!
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