#ActivityPub is getting its first formal update path since 2018.
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#ActivityPub is getting its first formal update path since 2018. I wrote about why this matters, how this leads to some strange and funny power dynamics, and about who actually participate
https://connectedplaces.online/reports/fediverse-report-148-on-protocol-governance/
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#ActivityPub is getting its first formal update path since 2018. I wrote about why this matters, how this leads to some strange and funny power dynamics, and about who actually participate
https://connectedplaces.online/reports/fediverse-report-148-on-protocol-governance/
I did not think about this aspect (why would I, I have no idea who is a paid member of the W3C :laughing:), but this is a potentially concerning data point.
> There are only two organisations that are active in the fediverse that are a paid member of the W3C: Meta and the Social Web Foundation. With the Social Web Foundation also receiving funding from Meta, the company that built Threads now has more institutional standing in ActivityPub governance than any of the organisations actually building open fediverse software. Mastodon gGmbH, Framasoft, and others are not W3C members and cannot participate in the Working Group unless they are invited.
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> This is by all accounts an extremely funny outcome for a network that aims to be independent of Big Tech’s power.— @fediversereport@mastodon.social
How this WG shapes up in the coming weeks will be interesting to watch :) Thank you for sharing this update.
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@julian @fediversereport That doesn’t sound good …
Thank you for the information.
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@julian @fediversereport Have you thought about NodeBB joining the W3C as a member organization? It's not cheap, but it's also not impossible.
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#ActivityPub is getting its first formal update path since 2018. I wrote about why this matters, how this leads to some strange and funny power dynamics, and about who actually participate
https://connectedplaces.online/reports/fediverse-report-148-on-protocol-governance/
@fediversereport So, I think this is a really interesting article, and I agree that participation and representation matter here.
I hope that more ActivityPub implementers step up to become W3C members. There are several funded nonprofits and commercial organizations that could probably afford it. I'd recommend that people who use ActivityPub software let the software creators know that they should participate in the WG process!
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@julian @fediversereport That doesn’t sound good …
Thank you for the information.
@ArneBab @julian @fediversereport I agree, there should be more people working on this stuff but nope, and that is bad.
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@fediversereport So, I think this is a really interesting article, and I agree that participation and representation matter here.
I hope that more ActivityPub implementers step up to become W3C members. There are several funded nonprofits and commercial organizations that could probably afford it. I'd recommend that people who use ActivityPub software let the software creators know that they should participate in the WG process!
I think all of the editors and authors of ActivityPub and Activity Streams in the previous iteration of the working group were "invited experts", except one (@jasnell ). One of the chairs (me) was as an invited expert.
The chairs (@tantek.com , @lehors and I) had a "knock to get invited" policy: anyone who expressed interest in participating in the working group was invited to join. I can't remember a situation where we turned someone down.
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I think all of the editors and authors of ActivityPub and Activity Streams in the previous iteration of the working group were "invited experts", except one (@jasnell ). One of the chairs (me) was as an invited expert.
The chairs (@tantek.com , @lehors and I) had a "knock to get invited" policy: anyone who expressed interest in participating in the working group was invited to join. I can't remember a situation where we turned someone down.
@fediversereport We also proactively reached out to distributed social network projects and commercial social network implementers. I'd been organizing the Federated Social Web Summit events for a few years, and we'd talked to dozens of different projects, so we had a lot of contacts there.
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@fediversereport We also proactively reached out to distributed social network projects and commercial social network implementers. I'd been organizing the Federated Social Web Summit events for a few years, and we'd talked to dozens of different projects, so we had a lot of contacts there.
@fediversereport Finally, we've been planning to work in a "staging process", where ideas and changes come from the developer and user communities, through the Community Group, and then optionally go to the Working Group if they need the structure of an official W3C standard.
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@fediversereport Finally, we've been planning to work in a "staging process", where ideas and changes come from the developer and user communities, through the Community Group, and then optionally go to the Working Group if they need the structure of an official W3C standard.
@fediversereport I think that's a really healthy structure. I think it's likely that the Working Group will be focused on upkeep and maintenance of the core docs (ActivityPub and Activity Streams), and the Community Group will work on broader applications of the protocol through extensions.
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#ActivityPub is getting its first formal update path since 2018. I wrote about why this matters, how this leads to some strange and funny power dynamics, and about who actually participate
https://connectedplaces.online/reports/fediverse-report-148-on-protocol-governance/
"there is a good change [sic] that Meta has no interest in actually participating."
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Probably a good change indeed.
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@fediversereport I think that's a really healthy structure. I think it's likely that the Working Group will be focused on upkeep and maintenance of the core docs (ActivityPub and Activity Streams), and the Community Group will work on broader applications of the protocol through extensions.
@fediversereport I hope people in the ActivityPub community put the invited expert policy to the test. There's a good explanation of the IE role here:
https://www.w3.org/invited-experts/
I would be really surprised if qualified ActivityPub specialists are turned down for IE roles!
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#ActivityPub is getting its first formal update path since 2018. I wrote about why this matters, how this leads to some strange and funny power dynamics, and about who actually participate
https://connectedplaces.online/reports/fediverse-report-148-on-protocol-governance/
@fediversereport Having had some involvement with IETF back in the day, Mastodon GmbH being a member doesn’t really change the power dynamics. When a large commercial player is on the committee, they already have the ability to force an agenda by virtue of having the resources and leverage in userbase to just implement it. If there is disagreement from smaller players, the most they can do is declare that this isn’t part of the “official” standard, which then makes the standard irrelevant. (1/2)
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@fediversereport Having had some involvement with IETF back in the day, Mastodon GmbH being a member doesn’t really change the power dynamics. When a large commercial player is on the committee, they already have the ability to force an agenda by virtue of having the resources and leverage in userbase to just implement it. If there is disagreement from smaller players, the most they can do is declare that this isn’t part of the “official” standard, which then makes the standard irrelevant. (1/2)
The only way compromise happens is if there are other players of similar size in the committee to counterbalance a large player. If this is Meta and a bunch of nonprofits, Meta either dictates the standard or forks it and effectively replaces it. (2/2)
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The only way compromise happens is if there are other players of similar size in the committee to counterbalance a large player. If this is Meta and a bunch of nonprofits, Meta either dictates the standard or forks it and effectively replaces it. (2/2)
@slyborg@vmst.io yes that's exactly why I want to bring together disparate threadiverse implementations so that we can petition for changes and make our voices heard as a collective instead of individual software platforms.
The ForumWG has had some early successes!
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Fit looks great!!!
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@slyborg@vmst.io yes that's exactly why I want to bring together disparate threadiverse implementations so that we can petition for changes and make our voices heard as a collective instead of individual software platforms.
The ForumWG has had some early successes!
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@EnigmaRotor maybe maybe…
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@lexfeathers The way the little NO bar instantly filled up with the cute corpo animation had me rolling
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@lilo @notthatdelta @lexfeathers well, it's targeting duckduckgo users... whom i suspect have largely gone to DDG to avoid AI on other search engines. Not saying it doesn't likely reflect a growing public backlash against AI everywhere, but I am saying the target demo is biased
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@stefano 📱
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@lexfeathers I made an AI as a project in college. I know how it works in depth. NO! The fact that AI has become so popular is only because the military is giving our tax money to greedy corporations to keep their monopolistic failures of a carcass afloat because their CEOs have more money than brains. The technology is not useful to the common joe and jane.
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@lexfeathers
"We don't all feel the same way about AI."But 95% of us do apparently. 😆
