Is the Risorgimento an important part of Canadian history?
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@evan So an evasive answer would be
“as much as it is part of Brazilian history”
@villasbc could it be both? I mean, the War of the Triple Alliance is part of many countries' history.
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@villasbc could it be both? I mean, the War of the Triple Alliance is part of many countries' history.
@evan yeah, totally
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Is the Risorgimento an important part of Canadian history?
@evan I'd love to understand the inspiration for the question!
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@evan I'd love to understand the inspiration for the question!
@dneary I'll go through it tomorrow!
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Is the Risorgimento an important part of Canadian history?
Thanks, all. I've been thinking a lot about civic nationalism. It's the idea of a nation that people adhere to ideas and institutions, rather than forming a nation around an ethnic group.
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Thanks, all. I've been thinking a lot about civic nationalism. It's the idea of a nation that people adhere to ideas and institutions, rather than forming a nation around an ethnic group.
It's closely tied to multiculturalism.
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It's closely tied to multiculturalism.
Here in Canada, our standard national framework is based on the imperial aims of two founding cultures, the English and the French, one of which defeated the other but kept it on as a junior partner. Together they dealt with, and then controlled, the indigenous peoples. They strategically invited workers from Europe, South and East Asia, North Africa and the West Indies to join them. Over time, the occupation relationship with indigenous people unravelled and a new one is being made.
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Here in Canada, our standard national framework is based on the imperial aims of two founding cultures, the English and the French, one of which defeated the other but kept it on as a junior partner. Together they dealt with, and then controlled, the indigenous peoples. They strategically invited workers from Europe, South and East Asia, North Africa and the West Indies to join them. Over time, the occupation relationship with indigenous people unravelled and a new one is being made.
@evan Is this a bit?
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Here in Canada, our standard national framework is based on the imperial aims of two founding cultures, the English and the French, one of which defeated the other but kept it on as a junior partner. Together they dealt with, and then controlled, the indigenous peoples. They strategically invited workers from Europe, South and East Asia, North Africa and the West Indies to join them. Over time, the occupation relationship with indigenous people unravelled and a new one is being made.
One tension in this framework is that all citizens in the nation are treated as equals, but all cultures are not. We have city festivals for Chinese holidays, sure, but that only emphasizes that the other 364 days of the year are for the norm of regular anglophone-francophone things. The other cultures are a treat, not a regular meal.
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@evan Is this a bit?
@soatok no. Why?
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One tension in this framework is that all citizens in the nation are treated as equals, but all cultures are not. We have city festivals for Chinese holidays, sure, but that only emphasizes that the other 364 days of the year are for the norm of regular anglophone-francophone things. The other cultures are a treat, not a regular meal.
There are so many problems with this cultural framework. First and foremost is our inability to find a just structure for inclusion and recognition of indigenous peoples. We've thankfully started a process of reconciliation, but nobody knows where it will end up.
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There are so many problems with this cultural framework. First and foremost is our inability to find a just structure for inclusion and recognition of indigenous peoples. We've thankfully started a process of reconciliation, but nobody knows where it will end up.
A second one is that the role of immigrant cultures is secondary and contingent. We were invited, and we are tolerated, and we are legally treated as almost equals. But that invitation can be rescinded if the founder cultures see a reason to or if they just get in a bad mood.
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@soatok no. Why?
@evan Using manager-speak euphemistically is kind of funny.
Unfortunately, results like this are less funny: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-residential-schools-unmarked-graves-indigenous-children-60-minutes-2022-02-06/
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A second one is that the role of immigrant cultures is secondary and contingent. We were invited, and we are tolerated, and we are legally treated as almost equals. But that invitation can be rescinded if the founder cultures see a reason to or if they just get in a bad mood.
I am interested in other frameworks; especially those that treat the promise of multiculturalism and civic nationalism seriously. Where Canada is the people and the cultures who are here, right now, treated equally. Where we retain the connections and through lines from origin cultures, and collectively own them. Instead of being an Anglo-French nation with Indian people in it, we could be an Indian nation, and a Chinese one, and a Haitian one.
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@evan Using manager-speak euphemistically is kind of funny.
Unfortunately, results like this are less funny: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-residential-schools-unmarked-graves-indigenous-children-60-minutes-2022-02-06/
@soatok maybe you should read the rest of the thread.
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I am interested in other frameworks; especially those that treat the promise of multiculturalism and civic nationalism seriously. Where Canada is the people and the cultures who are here, right now, treated equally. Where we retain the connections and through lines from origin cultures, and collectively own them. Instead of being an Anglo-French nation with Indian people in it, we could be an Indian nation, and a Chinese one, and a Haitian one.
I don't know how this other kind of framework works in practice. One part of it, I think, is recognizing that if everyone in Canada is "us", our history goes much farther back than Frobisher and Cartier. Our books trace the stream of history across the ocean back to England and France, but it includes what happened here for indigenous people going back to time immemorial, even when no English and French people were in sight. And it streams back to Kashmir and Guangdong and Jamaica and Italy.
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I don't know how this other kind of framework works in practice. One part of it, I think, is recognizing that if everyone in Canada is "us", our history goes much farther back than Frobisher and Cartier. Our books trace the stream of history across the ocean back to England and France, but it includes what happened here for indigenous people going back to time immemorial, even when no English and French people were in sight. And it streams back to Kashmir and Guangdong and Jamaica and Italy.
About 2 million Canadians trace their ancestry back to Italy; that's about 5% of the population.
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About 2 million Canadians trace their ancestry back to Italy; that's about 5% of the population.
Italy's history in the 1800s is one of throwing off foreign occupation and uniting into one nation - the Risorgimento - that culminated in the 1860s. The irony is that a population boom and economic downturn directly related to the unifying wars led to a generation that could not find room in the nation their parents and grandparents had made for them. A flow of emigration to the Americas, including Canada, ensued.
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I don't know how this other kind of framework works in practice. One part of it, I think, is recognizing that if everyone in Canada is "us", our history goes much farther back than Frobisher and Cartier. Our books trace the stream of history across the ocean back to England and France, but it includes what happened here for indigenous people going back to time immemorial, even when no English and French people were in sight. And it streams back to Kashmir and Guangdong and Jamaica and Italy.
@evan interesting thoughts, I've been thinking (and trying to write) about the same issue from an European angle, especially about the relationship between states and "nations". One thread that I want to explore further, especially for multiculturalism and immigrants/diaspora is the concept of Doikayt that the Jewish Bund advocated for. That might be a thread in your issues as well.
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@Sascha aw thank you Sascha! Years ago I had swapped the RAM in a MacBook Pro (before they started soldering / glueing the parts). I miss those days! 🥲
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@sturmsucht sadly if that happened all my family will keep using it because of its popularity / network effect. It’s a miracle I got them to install and use Signal for me 6 years ago.
Starting to think Big Tech is cult-like and people need de-programming.
They’re also all in LLMs and think age verification is a fantastic thing. No critical objections from me can do anything to persuade them to think otherwise.
Being a Cassandra is super hard and demoralizing sometimes 🥲
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@archerporter amazing! Thank you for the heads-up 🙏
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@Sascha fascinating! The article didn’t say anything about potentially swapping / increasing the RAM (I’m guessing it’s impossible). But really good to know!
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Grim news from Texas.
Absurdly, a jury has decided to convict all of the defendants in the Prairieland case on most of the charges—including, to name one example, "Corruptly Concealing a Document" for moving a box of zines.
The jury's verdict:
https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/verdict-prairieland-alvarado-ice-facility-federal-trial/
Background on the case:
https://crimethinc.com/Prairieland
This verdict is a reminder not to count on the courts to stop the rise of fascism. This is only the first of several trials in the case.
This case is intended to set a precedent enabling the government to suppress resistance of all kinds. Yet this outcome must not discourage us from fighting as hard as we can against them.
On the contrary, it should drive home the stakes of the fight. If we lose, no one will be safe, no matter how obedient and passive. Let's fight them with everything we've got while there is still a chance of victory.
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Duomo di Monreale
Il duomo di Monreale, altresì noto come cattedrale di Santa Maria Nuova, si trova a Monreale, nella città metropolitana di Palermo, ed è la cattedrale dell'omonima arcidiocesi...
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duomo_di_Monreale?wprov=sfla1
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