#kde is doing this real cool thing where if I hover the mouse over scribus or krita, the cursor shrinks.

[azonenberg@ioc.exchange]

@aeva i agree, the only way it'll work is if at *minimum* all of the desktop compositors (forget about weirdo embedded /VR ones nobody writing general purpose apps cares about them) define a standard set of protocols that they all support and that apps can assume are available.

Better yet, standardize on implementation of them in a common library.

[azonenberg@ioc.exchange]

@aeva the other thing is wayland (and X) did it all wrong architecturally. If you really want to reimagine the display stack make the *app* the server.

By default when launched it'll send some ipc request for the local session client to connect to it.

But you can also port forward to it over ssh or whatever to get first class app remoting, including multiple concurrent seats connected to one app server at once. If the last connection drops the app simply becomes headless until the next time a client reattaches to it.

Good luck getting app devs on board with *that* model though.

[rygorous@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@aeva "explanation of some cursor size problems you might encounter, and how new developments like Wayland cursor shape protocol and SVG cursors might improve the situation."

Narrator: new developments like Wayland cursor shape protocols did not, in fact, improve the situation

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@azonenberg we could do that with X11 back in the day though

[sky@social.coop]

@aeva what I hate the most is that they're right. KDE is the good wayland, which says a lot about the other wayland clients 💀

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@sky gnome doesn't have the cursor shrinking problem

[sky@social.coop]

@aeva but it's wayland, so i'm sure it has a million other unexplainable problems anyway

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@sky I'm more concerned about the very real problem that I can't find a fix for and makes me want to throw my laptop at you than some hypothetical but nevertheless plausible problems that exist in a thing I'm not using right now. Please take the tribalism somewhere else.

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead

[photex@icosahedron.website]

@aeva I don’t use Krita and haven’t observed this in other apps. Otherwise I’d definitely have issued the caveat.

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@photex scribus also has the same problem

[tess@mastodon.social]

@aeva we regret to inform you that it is always Wayland

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@tess yes, and that is what i expected, but i really don't appreciate people lying to me to get me to join Their Team

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@aeva arcan-fe exists, if you really want to go fancy

[sonnybonds@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@aeva To be fair I had the opposite problem in Gnome where cursors grew over some windows. Turned out there were two cursor settings (normal and legacy or something) and I had different cursors packs set for the two.

[photex@icosahedron.website]

@aeva I should have said “the other apps I use regularly” which is an admittedly rather short list I guess.

Anyway. Fucking Wayland. I hate it so much. Why has this happened to us? What couldn’t be fixed in X11?

Just yesterday I was ssh’d into a machine and realized that I can no longer run a GUI with X forwarding like was the norm since 1996.

I wish everyone today could experience what was just bog standard on Sun and Sgi workstations.

[dotstdy@mastodon.social]

@aeva i think this sometimes too, but then you end up with three incompatible apis to target as an application developer :(

[dotstdy@mastodon.social]

@aeva edit: oh i read through the issues and posts and now i see... it's just that their fixes only works if you use the default themes and default cursor sizes (and a relatively recent gnome, and a relatively recent kde). otherwise it's back to the wild west. xd hurray

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@photex wayland is such a painful step backward ;_;

[lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@aeva @photex we need a clip of john cleese losing it over wayland