#kde is doing this real cool thing where if I hover the mouse over scribus or krita, the cursor shrinks.
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everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills
if you really hate someone, don't get them a 3D printer, get them into linux
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if you really hate someone, don't get them a 3D printer, get them into linux
my hands shake at how shit this all is
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my hands shake at how shit this all is
@aeva the best wayland is 2035 wayland when they've finally got all the bugs ironed out and implemented all the obviously necessary protocols that some core dev decided didn't fit his ideology but then he retired and everyone else went and did what had to be done all along
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@aeva the best wayland is 2035 wayland when they've finally got all the bugs ironed out and implemented all the obviously necessary protocols that some core dev decided didn't fit his ideology but then he retired and everyone else went and did what had to be done all along
@azonenberg there is only one future for wayland, and it's for all the "protocols" to be stuffed into an adhoc set of libraries and utilities that converges on something vaguely resembling an xserver, except it will never quite get there because it's this massive steaming dump of entropy into the entire linux application ecosystem. something will always implement it wrong, or the versions of the helper libraries wont line up or whatever. the stink will never wash out completely
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@azonenberg there is only one future for wayland, and it's for all the "protocols" to be stuffed into an adhoc set of libraries and utilities that converges on something vaguely resembling an xserver, except it will never quite get there because it's this massive steaming dump of entropy into the entire linux application ecosystem. something will always implement it wrong, or the versions of the helper libraries wont line up or whatever. the stink will never wash out completely
@aeva i agree, the only way it'll work is if at *minimum* all of the desktop compositors (forget about weirdo embedded /VR ones nobody writing general purpose apps cares about them) define a standard set of protocols that they all support and that apps can assume are available.
Better yet, standardize on implementation of them in a common library.
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@aeva i agree, the only way it'll work is if at *minimum* all of the desktop compositors (forget about weirdo embedded /VR ones nobody writing general purpose apps cares about them) define a standard set of protocols that they all support and that apps can assume are available.
Better yet, standardize on implementation of them in a common library.
@aeva the other thing is wayland (and X) did it all wrong architecturally. If you really want to reimagine the display stack make the *app* the server.
By default when launched it'll send some ipc request for the local session client to connect to it.
But you can also port forward to it over ssh or whatever to get first class app remoting, including multiple concurrent seats connected to one app server at once. If the last connection drops the app simply becomes headless until the next time a client reattaches to it.
Good luck getting app devs on board with *that* model though.
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oh my god it's fucking wayland of course it's wayland OH MY GOD YOU PEOPLE SAID KDE WAS THE GOOD WAYLAND YOU FUCKING LIARS
https://blogs.kde.org/2024/10/09/cursor-size-problems-in-wayland-explained/
@aeva "explanation of some cursor size problems you might encounter, and how new developments like Wayland cursor shape protocol and SVG cursors might improve the situation."
Narrator: new developments like Wayland cursor shape protocols did not, in fact, improve the situation
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@aeva the other thing is wayland (and X) did it all wrong architecturally. If you really want to reimagine the display stack make the *app* the server.
By default when launched it'll send some ipc request for the local session client to connect to it.
But you can also port forward to it over ssh or whatever to get first class app remoting, including multiple concurrent seats connected to one app server at once. If the last connection drops the app simply becomes headless until the next time a client reattaches to it.
Good luck getting app devs on board with *that* model though.
@azonenberg we could do that with X11 back in the day though
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oh my god it's fucking wayland of course it's wayland OH MY GOD YOU PEOPLE SAID KDE WAS THE GOOD WAYLAND YOU FUCKING LIARS
https://blogs.kde.org/2024/10/09/cursor-size-problems-in-wayland-explained/
@aeva what I hate the most is that they're right. KDE is the good wayland, which says a lot about the other wayland clients 💀
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@aeva what I hate the most is that they're right. KDE is the good wayland, which says a lot about the other wayland clients 💀
@sky gnome doesn't have the cursor shrinking problem
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@sky gnome doesn't have the cursor shrinking problem
@aeva but it's wayland, so i'm sure it has a million other unexplainable problems anyway
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@aeva but it's wayland, so i'm sure it has a million other unexplainable problems anyway
@sky I'm more concerned about the very real problem that I can't find a fix for and makes me want to throw my laptop at you than some hypothetical but nevertheless plausible problems that exist in a thing I'm not using right now. Please take the tribalism somewhere else.
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my hands shake at how shit this all is
if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead
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everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills
@aeva I don’t use Krita and haven’t observed this in other apps. Otherwise I’d definitely have issued the caveat.
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@aeva I don’t use Krita and haven’t observed this in other apps. Otherwise I’d definitely have issued the caveat.
@photex scribus also has the same problem
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oh my god it's fucking wayland of course it's wayland OH MY GOD YOU PEOPLE SAID KDE WAS THE GOOD WAYLAND YOU FUCKING LIARS
https://blogs.kde.org/2024/10/09/cursor-size-problems-in-wayland-explained/
@aeva we regret to inform you that it is always Wayland
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@aeva we regret to inform you that it is always Wayland
@tess yes, and that is what i expected, but i really don't appreciate people lying to me to get me to join Their Team
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if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead
@aeva arcan-fe exists, if you really want to go fancy
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i really should keep a list or something of all the irritating foibles of software i use regularly, because i'm not exactly sure where KDE currently sits relative to gnome in "problems solved" vs "problems created" ratio
@aeva To be fair I had the opposite problem in Gnome where cursors grew over some windows. Turned out there were two cursor settings (normal and legacy or something) and I had different cursors packs set for the two.
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@photex scribus also has the same problem
@aeva I should have said “the other apps I use regularly” which is an admittedly rather short list I guess.
Anyway. Fucking Wayland. I hate it so much. Why has this happened to us? What couldn’t be fixed in X11?
Just yesterday I was ssh’d into a machine and realized that I can no longer run a GUI with X forwarding like was the norm since 1996.
I wish everyone today could experience what was just bog standard on Sun and Sgi workstations.
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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Bologna: lacrimogeni ad altezza d’uomo e cariche contro i mu.basta. “il pilastro non si arrende. la mobilitazione continua”
@anarchia
Lacrimogeni ad altezza d’uomo, cariche e 3 fermi ieri sera (dopo i 6 del mattino) al quartiere Pilastro, per chiudere una giornata che era partita all’alba, con lo sgombero poliziesco del
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@simone entrare in un discorso con l'atteggiamento "sentiamo cosa dice e poi lo spernacchiamo" non è molto costruttivo
Ho scritto altre volte che la legge elettorale italiana fa schifo, ed è cosa nota
Ma evidentemente ti interessa interrogarmi. Mi spiace, non sono il tuo candidato preferito
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@GillesLeCorre2 je n'y connaît rien au monde de l'art. Je suis étonné que les dessins, sculptures, tableaux se vendent si bien. Ah zut Nelly vient me souffler que je suis pas ignorant juste pas assez riche.
Bon en tout les cas je reste surpris.
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Ma, per parlare di inquinamento, i missili che si stanno usando sono almeno euro6?
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@simone mi raccomando, aspetta, che faccio tutto io, non ti muovere
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Lo stato delle cose. Crisi dell’#industria italiana: persi 103mila posti dal 2008, boom di cassa integrazione e crollo dell’automotive - Il Sole 24 ORE https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/crisi-dell-industria-italiana-persi-103mila-posti-2008-boom-cassa-integrazione-e-crollo-dell-automotive-AIxg9WlB
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@simone interessante domanda, come una persona qualsiasi avesse la soluzione
Mi spiace di averti deluso, ho inventato il moto perpetuo, i razzi che vanno su Marte, il teletrasporto, ma un sistema politico che funzioni e la pace nel mondo ancora no
Aspetta lì, che ci penso io eh
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Dall’archivio di Cassandra/ Un 95% di privacy
Ok il 2006 porta con sé il Decreto Pisanu e le crescenti minacce alla privacy in rete. Ma il 2007? Ecco cosa si può fare per cambiare subito lo stato delle cose e recuperare spazi di libertà.
https://www.lealternative.net/2026/03/05/dallarchivio-di-cassandra-un-95-di-privacy/
