#kde is doing this real cool thing where if I hover the mouse over scribus or krita, the cursor shrinks.

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

i really should keep a list or something of all the irritating foibles of software i use regularly, because i'm not exactly sure where KDE currently sits relative to gnome in "problems solved" vs "problems created" ratio

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

imagine if your hands sometimes shrink by 50% but it only happens while you try to draw

[rygorous@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@aeva it's a common affliction!

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

oh my god it's fucking wayland of course it's wayland OH MY GOD YOU PEOPLE SAID KDE WAS THE GOOD WAYLAND YOU FUCKING LIARS

https://blogs.kde.org/2024/10/09/cursor-size-problems-in-wayland-explained/

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

if you really hate someone, don't get them a 3D printer, get them into linux

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

my hands shake at how shit this all is

[azonenberg@ioc.exchange]

@aeva the best wayland is 2035 wayland when they've finally got all the bugs ironed out and implemented all the obviously necessary protocols that some core dev decided didn't fit his ideology but then he retired and everyone else went and did what had to be done all along

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@azonenberg there is only one future for wayland, and it's for all the "protocols" to be stuffed into an adhoc set of libraries and utilities that converges on something vaguely resembling an xserver, except it will never quite get there because it's this massive steaming dump of entropy into the entire linux application ecosystem. something will always implement it wrong, or the versions of the helper libraries wont line up or whatever. the stink will never wash out completely

[azonenberg@ioc.exchange]

@aeva i agree, the only way it'll work is if at *minimum* all of the desktop compositors (forget about weirdo embedded /VR ones nobody writing general purpose apps cares about them) define a standard set of protocols that they all support and that apps can assume are available.

Better yet, standardize on implementation of them in a common library.

[azonenberg@ioc.exchange]

@aeva the other thing is wayland (and X) did it all wrong architecturally. If you really want to reimagine the display stack make the *app* the server.

By default when launched it'll send some ipc request for the local session client to connect to it.

But you can also port forward to it over ssh or whatever to get first class app remoting, including multiple concurrent seats connected to one app server at once. If the last connection drops the app simply becomes headless until the next time a client reattaches to it.

Good luck getting app devs on board with *that* model though.

[rygorous@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@aeva "explanation of some cursor size problems you might encounter, and how new developments like Wayland cursor shape protocol and SVG cursors might improve the situation."

Narrator: new developments like Wayland cursor shape protocols did not, in fact, improve the situation

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@azonenberg we could do that with X11 back in the day though

[sky@social.coop]

@aeva what I hate the most is that they're right. KDE is the good wayland, which says a lot about the other wayland clients 💀

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@sky gnome doesn't have the cursor shrinking problem

[sky@social.coop]

@aeva but it's wayland, so i'm sure it has a million other unexplainable problems anyway

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@sky I'm more concerned about the very real problem that I can't find a fix for and makes me want to throw my laptop at you than some hypothetical but nevertheless plausible problems that exist in a thing I'm not using right now. Please take the tribalism somewhere else.

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead

[photex@icosahedron.website]

@aeva I don’t use Krita and haven’t observed this in other apps. Otherwise I’d definitely have issued the caveat.

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@photex scribus also has the same problem