Should expatriate citizens of your country have the right to vote?
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@evan I personally use “immigrant” on purpose since I’m white-presenting and work in tech. It’s an attempt to buck the trend of using this word for a particular kind of immigration (the kind some people don’t want).
I emigrated from Brazil because I wanted to and I acknowledge I had the privilege to do it. Many people in my position would call themselves something else.
Again, this is not meant to cause drama or unnecessary discussion, it’s a personal position!
@fabio Do you use "immigrant" here in Canada? I've never heard a Brazilian here call themselves an expatriate. I've also never seen anyone use anything but "immigrant" in French to describe themselves.
Do you use "imigrante" to describe yourself in Brazil?
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@renata @mayintoronto @fabio So, when you're in Brazil, how do you talk about brasileiros no externo ? I think it's a pretty big population, about 5m people? That's a big percentage of the total citizenship, around 200m, right? Is it an identity that you embrace, or do you mostly say "I live in Canada" or "I'm Canadian"?
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@fabio Do you use "immigrant" here in Canada? I've never heard a Brazilian here call themselves an expatriate. I've also never seen anyone use anything but "immigrant" in French to describe themselves.
Do you use "imigrante" to describe yourself in Brazil?
@evan Yes to all! There’s also a thing about “imigrante” in Brazil that requires some explanation:
Brazil is not as diverse as it thinks it is - especially compared to Canada. There’s a certain fascination with foreigners there, everyone asks dozens of questions. It becomes a bit of a status symbol because it validates the idea that Brazil is good, actually - so much so that some people *choose* to live there.
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@evan Yes to all! There’s also a thing about “imigrante” in Brazil that requires some explanation:
Brazil is not as diverse as it thinks it is - especially compared to Canada. There’s a certain fascination with foreigners there, everyone asks dozens of questions. It becomes a bit of a status symbol because it validates the idea that Brazil is good, actually - so much so that some people *choose* to live there.
@fabio I meant the use of "imigrante" to describe Brazilian citizens living in other countries.
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@evan Yes to all! There’s also a thing about “imigrante” in Brazil that requires some explanation:
Brazil is not as diverse as it thinks it is - especially compared to Canada. There’s a certain fascination with foreigners there, everyone asks dozens of questions. It becomes a bit of a status symbol because it validates the idea that Brazil is good, actually - so much so that some people *choose* to live there.
@evan That’s because most Brazilians know it’s not one of the rich countries but it’s also not in the poor country bucket (there are many places that are worse). So, many people want to leave, but those who can’t feel validated by people who choose to come.
Brazilian identity is a very complex feeling.
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@fabio I meant the use of "imigrante" to describe Brazilian citizens living in other countries.
@evan I get it, but everything is related. Brazil is a weird place, worth visiting.
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@fabio I meant the use of "imigrante" to describe Brazilian citizens living in other countries.
@evan But yes, e.g. my mom says “Fabio immigrated to Canada, he’s an immigrant there”
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@renata @mayintoronto @fabio So, when you're in Brazil, how do you talk about brasileiros no externo ? I think it's a pretty big population, about 5m people? That's a big percentage of the total citizenship, around 200m, right? Is it an identity that you embrace, or do you mostly say "I live in Canada" or "I'm Canadian"?
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@renata @mayintoronto @fabio So, when you're in Brazil, how do you talk about brasileiros no externo ? I think it's a pretty big population, about 5m people? That's a big percentage of the total citizenship, around 200m, right? Is it an identity that you embrace, or do you mostly say "I live in Canada" or "I'm Canadian"?
@evan @renata @mayintoronto I describe myself as both, depending. I feel more Canadian these days because I never felt 100% Brazilian even before I moved. Also it’s been 16 years and I don’t go back that much. When I’m there I feel like a gringo visitor most of the time - and here I’m slightly exotic.
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@renata @mayintoronto @fabio So, when you're in Brazil, how do you talk about brasileiros no externo ? I think it's a pretty big population, about 5m people? That's a big percentage of the total citizenship, around 200m, right? Is it an identity that you embrace, or do you mostly say "I live in Canada" or "I'm Canadian"?
@evan @renata @mayintoronto Also I think people who describe themselves as “Brasileiros no exterior” don’t quite embrace the country they moved to. One could write many academic papers about his sort of thing!
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@renata @evan @mayintoronto @fabio I usually identify as Brazilian but last week I was imagining some kind of conversation and called myself "Canadian" in my head for the first time (I moved here in 2021).
I also often say I'm from <city where I moved for university and lived for 8 years> rather than <city I was born in and lived for 16 years>.
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@MJmusicinears I didn’t think of armed forces, or diplomats for that matter.
It is a complex web.
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@rakoo @mayintoronto @fabio @evan to me, "expat" carries with it the expectation that you will eventually return to home country. Immigrant does not.
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@renata @evan @mayintoronto @fabio I usually identify as Brazilian but last week I was imagining some kind of conversation and called myself "Canadian" in my head for the first time (I moved here in 2021).
I also often say I'm from <city where I moved for university and lived for 8 years> rather than <city I was born in and lived for 16 years>.
@dancer_storm I love this for you!!
My parents brought me here as a young kid and I was told we were probably never going back home. It was nice that all the kids around me looked different too, and they were all (probably) Canadians.
In my head, it wasn't long before I thought "I guess I'm a Canadian now?"
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@rakoo @mayintoronto @fabio there are some other words for French citizens living abroad that are used here in Montreal.
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@dillyd 😱 Stay safe.💗
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@dillyd 😀
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@qurlyjoe @AdrianRiskin @devlogic @cR0w @PogoWasRight @SecurityWriter I think there's a distinction here. If you're making an evidentiary claim, surely you would need to cite it, even if the citation is a paper you wrote.
But if you're just using language in a certain way, and you've used language in that way before, do you really need to credit yourself for that turn of phrase? Seems silly...
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@gimulnautti @Vivaldi Come September they're supposed to be pushing a 'security update' that will block any unapproved app from running on Android devices.
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@aethernaut You're not wrong.
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@Paulatics YOU! RULE!
I am halfway through your speech here and it is just so enheartening to hear leadership speak up for decency and care of fellow human beings like this
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@hyruleinterviews Florent Gorges has heard a third explanation: the Lark cigarettes Yamauchi used to smoke https://omakebooks.com/products/l-histoire-de-nintendo-vol-3-copie
