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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
I totally agree with you: I've found the BSD community welcoming and peaceful, and I also don't consider it adverse to innovation and change (or maybe the "level of desire to change" matches mine).
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@stefano Great article Stefano!
@raven thank you!
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
My part from Quare FreeBSD about FreeBSD Community below.
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
@stefano Great post! I've been using #Linux #FreeBSD for about two decades and want to share my experiences. For context, Linux became my daily driver and I dabbled in FreeBSD on the side.
As a newcomer to both the #technology and #culture of #Linux and the BSDs, *back then* there was more toxicity. And by toxicity I mean abrasive and unhelpful responses ("RTFM!") or some kind of "l337" attitudes in various mailing lists and forums. This, of course, was before YouTube and Reddit, where the former mediums were more prevalent.
Some Linux distros were friendlier than others. In those days, the #Debian mailing lists and forums were a rough place for newcomers and it drove a lot of people away. I left the forums because of that. I rarely post to the mailing lists but for other reasons.
At some point, there was considerable effort to improve the etiquette in said mediums, particularly the mailing lists. Sure, some fiery disagreements can take place but overall people are friendly and welcoming.
FreeBSD, on the other hand, has been a more positive experience. Yes, there are people who are vocal about their contempt for Linux, but they aren't disrespectful to other people.
Having witnessed both communities grow and change over the years, there's definitely less toxicity and FreeBSD is still a more welcoming community.
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
@stefano thanks for your post.
I had read the post you're referencing yesterday, and had come away with a certain sense of unease. Thanks for putting some words to the unease, because after further reflection it really is the "battle" aspect where the unease came from. That, and the unnecessary and gratuitous side swipes like the "boomer" references.
Part of this may have come from the fact that I've got a bit of PTSD from an ex-manager who liked to make development tooling decisions based on what tool was "winning" in the marketplace, with only scant consideration if we already had working and suitable tooling...
At the end of the day, the ecosystem grows richer and stronger if we have alternatives large and small instead of the system to rule them all that would eventually need to be tossed into a volcano.
I say this as someone who uses Windows, macOS, several flavours of Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD at this time and would probably run an old Solaris box somewhere if he could find a use for it.
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@stefano thanks for your post.
I had read the post you're referencing yesterday, and had come away with a certain sense of unease. Thanks for putting some words to the unease, because after further reflection it really is the "battle" aspect where the unease came from. That, and the unnecessary and gratuitous side swipes like the "boomer" references.
Part of this may have come from the fact that I've got a bit of PTSD from an ex-manager who liked to make development tooling decisions based on what tool was "winning" in the marketplace, with only scant consideration if we already had working and suitable tooling...
At the end of the day, the ecosystem grows richer and stronger if we have alternatives large and small instead of the system to rule them all that would eventually need to be tossed into a volcano.
I say this as someone who uses Windows, macOS, several flavours of Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD at this time and would probably run an old Solaris box somewhere if he could find a use for it.
@tgeusch This is the uneasy feeling I had yesterday evening. I started writing the post this morning because I wanted to sleep on it. The original author did not write a bad or offensive post, and it reflects their experience so I respect that. Still, it feels more like a rant against a couple of people who behaved poorly or were unwilling to change FreeBSD because they believed there was a better way to do things.
Anyway, I am glad when people write these posts if they feel the need to. This way we get to see different points of view, and that helps all of us. -
@tgeusch This is the uneasy feeling I had yesterday evening. I started writing the post this morning because I wanted to sleep on it. The original author did not write a bad or offensive post, and it reflects their experience so I respect that. Still, it feels more like a rant against a couple of people who behaved poorly or were unwilling to change FreeBSD because they believed there was a better way to do things.
Anyway, I am glad when people write these posts if they feel the need to. This way we get to see different points of view, and that helps all of us.@stefano Very good point that the original post wasn’t bad or offensive, and in a sense I wished the author had had a better experience.
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@stefano Very good point that the original post wasn’t bad or offensive, and in a sense I wished the author had had a better experience.
@tgeusch Exactly.
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
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@ricardo I think discord.
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
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Stefano, this person is maybe a the bigger FreeBSD hater from many years...
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Stefano, this person is maybe a the bigger FreeBSD hater from many years...
https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults@pinkopanterata yes, I've encountered this page in the past
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
@stefano I'm glad for you that you haven't had damaging encounters with toxic people in the FreeBSD community or their enablers.
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This Isn't a Battle
After reading a post describing the FreeBSD community as 'toxic', I share a different perspective. This isn't a battle. It's a reflection on coexistence, the original Open Source spirit, and the quiet richness of taking a different path.
https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/11/14/this-isnt-a-battle/
#MyNotes #IT #SysAdmin #FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Linux #OpenSource
@stefano I had a great conversation the other day with some FreeBSD folks about how to position it competitively when the user believes they need k8s instead.
Sure, plenty of k8s flame was thrown, but at the end we agreed that for the user’s particular needs (some workloads were Linux only codebases, multi-cloud deployment not cost-optimized) k8s was really a better choice than nomad+jails or a custom orchestration setup. -
@stefano I had a great conversation the other day with some FreeBSD folks about how to position it competitively when the user believes they need k8s instead.
Sure, plenty of k8s flame was thrown, but at the end we agreed that for the user’s particular needs (some workloads were Linux only codebases, multi-cloud deployment not cost-optimized) k8s was really a better choice than nomad+jails or a custom orchestration setup.@josephholsten exactly. A couple of days ago I proposed to a client a new virtualization server (actually three). It will be powered by Proxmox as the client needs a management interface and is moving some manually created KVM qcow2 files.
I'll probably propose bhyve when Sylve will be ready but, for now, their problem will be solved by using Proxmox. And I'm happy it will, and I'm happy to do it. -
@stefano I'm glad for you that you haven't had damaging encounters with toxic people in the FreeBSD community or their enablers.
@pauamma oh, I have. I never said that there are no toxic people in the BSD community. There are. But the majority is composed of great people, all around the world.
So I'd not say it's a toxic community because of some bad people. Even if toxicity should never be a part (even if small) of a healthy community. -
@ricardo I think discord.
@stefano @ricardo the article mentioned the FreeBSD subreddit and The FreeBSD Forums.
Yorick Peterse shared his post in the sub, where it was very well-received. Pictured: insights that are not visible to the public (I very rarely share such things, doing so seems harmless on this occasion).
No mention of Discord, Twitter, or X.
Also pictured: the wiki for FreeBSD Discord very recently cautioned that the FreeBSD Community Code of Conduct can not be enforced. I do not imagine that this caution relates to any recent misconduct there …
<https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct/>
<https://wiki.freebsd.org/Discord/DiscordServer>
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out of context graphs from Vitalik Buterin’s latest blog post
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@virtuous_sloth @hub @cheeaun no idea!
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@aizuchi @kevingamin @alice oh, but, also guitarists, like synth players, like physical knobs for everything. One pedal per function fits in a guitar players brain better than buttons and inscrutable little LCD screens with pages of options and a computer or phone app.
I mostly use regular single function pedals and tube amps, even though I know I could get less noise and more effects from a multi-effects unit or amp for a lot less money.
Monkey brain likes what it likes.
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@aizuchi @kevingamin @alice I mean, the amps are still a little limited by their budget. It costs money to make high quality physical stuff, like a speaker. But, even that's gotten better over the years, and their current and previous generations sound quite good.
Another element is a whole generation of players started on a Line 6 back when they weren't so great, so they feel like they have to "graduate" to more expensive stuff. But, it wouldn't pain me to gig a Line 6 Spider or a Catalyst.
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@aizuchi @kevingamin @alice a bunch of reasons. It's always been a value brand rather than a boutique brand...there was a time when "low cost" and "quality" didn't really fit together in a digital multi-effect unit. The early POD and Spider models sounded pretty cheesy. But, compute keeps getting cheaper, so they can cram really powerful DSP into cheap devices now, and they've gotten better at the software and modeling side in the 30 years they've been doing it (again, they were very early).
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@hub Yeah.
I knew the edits were recorded/visible, I just found it interesting to see one played back "live". Up until now, I've only seen it update slowly like replies etc come in.
I'd be interesting in knowing how it happens (does the client stay connected to my server and the server offers up edited updates when such a connection is maintained?).
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@swelljoe @kevingamin @alice why no respect? I mean, i understand that guitar heads have Opinions (tm)
