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@_elena this map can help to make the case for the fediverse in Europe
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@_elena they didn't even remove the name "Bluesky" on various parts of the website ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
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@_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".
I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?
Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.
@vladcampos they didn't choose any protocol, they just designed a landing Page ... for ... Bluesky ๐คฃ
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@_elena its probably better not to sabotage EU alternatives, but by grabbing domains the fediverse could be injected into the news cycle, if done with a coherent message to the media.
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@_elena they didn't even remove the name "Bluesky" on various parts of the website ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
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@_elena Had a quick look. Seems the domain is registered by a Swedish company WeDontHaveTime (who seems to run wedonthavetime.org). The company is owned by a foundation, so no idea who the real owner are (the foundation owns US based company of a same name as well). This guy is their CEO https://www.forbes.com/sites/ingmarrentzhog/ - the company has 9 employees and revenue of 15-20 million SEK yearly (loses twice the revenue yearly -17M SEK in 2024).
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@_elena Had a quick look. Seems the domain is registered by a Swedish company WeDontHaveTime (who seems to run wedonthavetime.org). The company is owned by a foundation, so no idea who the real owner are (the foundation owns US based company of a same name as well). This guy is their CEO https://www.forbes.com/sites/ingmarrentzhog/ - the company has 9 employees and revenue of 15-20 million SEK yearly (loses twice the revenue yearly -17M SEK in 2024).
@_elena no idea if it's right-wing connected (wouldn't surprise me) and I can't be bothered to look further - it already looks like a rich-boy club scheme to make money out of activism. And I guess their headlines from Davos around this social network of theirs were formed similarly. Bleh.
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@_elena Had a quick look. Seems the domain is registered by a Swedish company WeDontHaveTime (who seems to run wedonthavetime.org). The company is owned by a foundation, so no idea who the real owner are (the foundation owns US based company of a same name as well). This guy is their CEO https://www.forbes.com/sites/ingmarrentzhog/ - the company has 9 employees and revenue of 15-20 million SEK yearly (loses twice the revenue yearly -17M SEK in 2024).
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@_elena here's the company info (sorry, in Swedish) https://www.allabolag.se/foretag/wedonthavetime-ab-publ/stockholm/informationskonsulter-kommunikationskonsulter/2KGW5D6I5YFD4
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@_elena here's the company info (sorry, in Swedish) https://www.allabolag.se/foretag/wedonthavetime-ab-publ/stockholm/informationskonsulter-kommunikationskonsulter/2KGW5D6I5YFD4
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@_elena They have cash in the bank basically.
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@_elena I think that we need more "why/how you should join the Fediverse" rather than "why you should not use platform X, Y, W".
We (as in: the internet) spoke loudly about why not using certain type of softwares and platform and it didn't really made a substantial difference.
I think we need to focus on bringing people (and make them stay) here rather than scare them about another software or platform.
Elena, je comprends ton exaspรฉration mais pour rรฉpondre ร la question, tu te fatigues pour rien. Surtout maintenant.
Au bout d'une vingtaine d'annรฉe de militantisme sur ces sujets. J'en conclue qu'il est vain de dissuader les gens aller sur ces plateformes. Tous les arguments qu'on mobilise, en paeticuler celui sur la vie privรฉe et la surveillance de masse n'ont pas d'effet. Les gens sensibles ร ces arguments sont dรฉjร parti. C'est une minoritรฉ.
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Elena, je comprends ton exaspรฉration mais pour rรฉpondre ร la question, tu te fatigues pour rien. Surtout maintenant.
Au bout d'une vingtaine d'annรฉe de militantisme sur ces sujets. J'en conclue qu'il est vain de dissuader les gens aller sur ces plateformes. Tous les arguments qu'on mobilise, en paeticuler celui sur la vie privรฉe et la surveillance de masse n'ont pas d'effet. Les gens sensibles ร ces arguments sont dรฉjร parti. C'est une minoritรฉ.
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@_elena si aujourd'hui, vu le niveau de merdification de twitter et meta, les gens y sont toujours c'est qu'on ne les aura pas avec des arguments politiques. Ton documentaire aussi insiste beaucoup sur l'argument de la surveillance/nos donnรฉes. C'est vain.
Nous devons nous concentrer sur l'รฉmergence d'alternatives et sur crรฉer une meilleure expรฉrience et se focaliser sur le contenu proposรฉ qui doit รชtre plus intรฉressant.
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Elena, je comprends ton exaspรฉration mais pour rรฉpondre ร la question, tu te fatigues pour rien. Surtout maintenant.
Au bout d'une vingtaine d'annรฉe de militantisme sur ces sujets. J'en conclue qu'il est vain de dissuader les gens aller sur ces plateformes. Tous les arguments qu'on mobilise, en paeticuler celui sur la vie privรฉe et la surveillance de masse n'ont pas d'effet. Les gens sensibles ร ces arguments sont dรฉjร parti. C'est une minoritรฉ.
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@_elena si aujourd'hui, vu le niveau de merdification de twitter et meta, les gens y sont toujours c'est qu'on ne les aura pas avec des arguments politiques. Ton documentaire aussi insiste beaucoup sur l'argument de la surveillance/nos donnรฉes. C'est vain.
Nous devons nous concentrer sur l'รฉmergence d'alternatives et sur crรฉer une meilleure expรฉrience et se focaliser sur le contenu proposรฉ qui doit รชtre plus intรฉressant.
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@_elena moi je focalise sur l'ux/ui, les artistes/crรฉateur/artisans qui doivent pouvoir venir y promouvoir leur activitรฉ et faire des ventes pour vivre (@aemarielle), les pro notamment faire circuler toutes les offres d'emploi et les recherches, la recherche scientifique (icanhazpdf), le milieu des coopรฉratives, la crรฉation de jeuw vidรฉos. Voilร cร d crรฉer un rรฉseau avec de la valeur, de l'utilitรฉ concrรจte pour les gens.
Convaincre de quitter X, W ou Meta, c'est perdu. Faut proposer mieux.
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@Edent wow, that was fast, thank you!
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@Edent @silverpill don't use nulls. Just omit it.
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Maybe #bovine is, what you're looking for.
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@threkk the bot can now send Delete messages. They're processed successfully by Mastodon.social - so I assume they work elsewhere ๐
Will have a think about editing.
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@edent@mastodon.social :shrug: I was passing null around like candy but some implementations choke on that. In general, tolerance of odd values in cc is well handled, but I would just omit or send [].
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@silverpill @julian @general
Ah, I assume that `cc` should also be null if it isn't copied to anyone?
