I just finished an amazing call.
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@stefano The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one. I asked a candidate what the difference is between a VM and Docker container. Interview ended shortly after that question.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano Said person sure bought the party line without scrutinizing it at all.
Even the Docker documentation makes no secret about how it works. -
I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano wow. I've been out of the business for over ten years and even I know that Docker has to run *on* something. Hilarious.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano The good ol' "not for all the tea in china" side step.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano this is a synptom of a much larger problem - i had an argument with some people recently who want to use "AI for 6G". I asked "so what's your platform to run the AI on? like do you have server racks in cell towers and run the AI on unikernels, or re-implement the AI on top of Cloud RAN and tolerate the latency, or do you have a non-GenAI tech in mind for your smart cellular service?". you could hear the tumbleweed rolling through their empty heads...stack free
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@stefano question: were they referred to you by the same person who rudely insisted that SSDs 'spin'? Agreed. You dodged a problem here.
@bsdtv @stefano
SSD Supersonic Spinning Disc 😆It's amazing how they fit motors to spin it and move the head on platters into a tiny 1.5mm x 12 mm package (approx). A miracle of nanotechnology!
In a way the reality is much stranger.
I remember when some people thought the CRT was the computer and the cased PC was the "hard disk". Some thought a 3.5" floppy was a hard disk (if they had first encountered cassettes and 5.25" floppies.
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@paul_ipv6 @mvilain @stefano As one who has written device-driving code in assembly languages, I don’t really know how Docker works, but if you’ll pay me, I’d be quite willing to research it and explain it to you at whatever level of detail you’d like…
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@paul_ipv6 @mvilain @stefano As one who has written device-driving code in assembly languages, I don’t really know how Docker works, but if you’ll pay me, I’d be quite willing to research it and explain it to you at whatever level of detail you’d like…
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> I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems.
The only winning move is not to play.
@Yendolosch @stefano Maybe Stefano could still offer him a nice game of chess
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@paul_ipv6 @mvilain @stefano Given that the main computer-related income I’ve received since #y2K has been a shareware check for a Mac INIT I wrote in the 80’s, and a few free lunches from a friend whose Windows machine I removed a few viruses from, the likelihood of my employment requiring using Docker is fairly slim. It is possible that I may want to learn it anyway, if some side project (not that these days I really have any non-side projects) seems to need it.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
Oof, cubed 🥴
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@stefano The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one. I asked a candidate what the difference is between a VM and Docker container. Interview ended shortly after that question.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
The voice of stupidity is always self-confident and loud.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano WAAT? 😆🤪
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano Epic Fail.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano it's worse: he needs linux on freebsd to run docker
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano whew! well done.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano
The secret to eternal happiness. -
I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano If they are looking for an expert on docker, they are rejecting everyone who knows something about docker.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
It's so infruriating the other way too. I was being interviewed by a "very smart boy" about algorithms for a job. He asked how to multiply very large numbers, then kept overtalking me when I was trying to explain how to do it with an FFT.
"No, that's for signal domain transformation"
"No, I asked about multiplying numbers"
In the end he did me a favor, because I would rather defenstrate him than work with him. I did email him this after our interview:
http://numbers.computation.free.fr/Constants/Algorithms/fft.html