I just finished an amazing call.
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@release_candidate @mvilain @stefano
Sure, cgroups and namespaces are implementation details on Linux. But probably(*) the specification of a container doesn't require that those specific technologies are used. Docker/podman on a macintosh runs in a VM, and if I recall correctly, docker on NetBSD works similarly.(*) I didn't look it up
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano never play chess with a pigeon!
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@stefano The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one. I asked a candidate what the difference is between a VM and Docker container. Interview ended shortly after that question.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@Stefano Marinelli well, what else is there to say ? :-) -
I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
Ha. They're thinking of Podman, which doesn't need a kernel because it's daemonless...
..or something like that.
🤔😁
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@release_candidate@bsd.cafe
i would at least find a way to rant about plan9's per process namespaces if randomly asked about containers. and if i counted on being asked about them intentionally, i'd be sleeplessly diving into anything i could get my hands on.
(my role is nothing to do with sysadmin stuff, i'm just a helpdesk person who messes around with snac & stuff in their home in simple noncontainerized ways of yore; i dont know what a microservice is and am too afraid to ask)
"not a vm but like a vm" is... um... a small part of me would want to tell them the janitor interviews are one floor below.
@mvilain@sfba.social @stefano@bsd.cafe
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano You are wise in ways I can never be.
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@paul_ipv6 @maysonic @mvilain @stefano or find another job. Like many other things that are meant to make my life easier, it seems to me that docker lures me onto thin ice from time to time. And I hope I’m still too young to die.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
Hey, plainly he read a thing, or did his own research, or, like that.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano awesome. This is a big security win. I can quit fiddling with gvisor.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano Ah well, in the 80s as an ignorant teen I asked the creator of B to tell me why I should by a C compiler. He was fairly polite about it...
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano Wow this person must have drunk ALL of the docker Kool-Aid.
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I just finished an amazing call.
The person I was talking to was trying to explain to me that Docker is an entire operating system, so he doesn’t want Linux or any of the BSDs, but Docker. I explained that, in order to run Docker, you need a kernel."No, you don't. Docker does everything on its own. If you think that, then you don’t really understand operating systems."
I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems. He was a bit disappointed, but we said goodbye on friendly terms.
I'm used to recognizing when I'm too ignorant for the person I'm talking to, and I'm happy to step aside.
@stefano a bullet you dodged. possibly two of them. but in typical stefano form, a professional