If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?
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If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?
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I'm not speaking about any particular two people but if you need it please consider @alice_watson and @bobwyman as the characters in this story.
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@evan We don't know visibility of Bob's reply.
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I'm not speaking about any particular two people but if you need it please consider @alice_watson and @bobwyman as the characters in this story.
@evan can the reply be marked followers only from Bob's side?
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@evan
I would say, To: Alice, cc: both Alice's and Bob's followers, possibly cc: or bcc: a theoretical Collection of all participants in the thread who have not muted the thread by leaving the collection? -
@evan We don't know visibility of Bob's reply.
@skobkin the question is about what that visibility should be.
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@evan Alice, Alice’s followers, and the subset of Bob’s followers that follow Alice.
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@evan can the reply be marked followers only from Bob's side?
@maj yes, that's the default for Mastodon, I think. It is only visible to Bob's followers.
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@evan
I would say, To: Alice, cc: both Alice's and Bob's followers, possibly cc: or bcc: a theoretical Collection of all participants in the thread who have not muted the thread by leaving the collection?@silvermoon82 what does the conversation look like to Bob's followers?
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@evan Alice, Alice’s followers, and the subset of Bob’s followers that follow Alice.
@Jeremiah isn't that third set already included in the second?
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@maj yes, that's the default for Mastodon, I think. It is only visible to Bob's followers.
@evan I'm going to need a diagram! This is like set theory.
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@Jeremiah isn't that third set already included in the second?
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@evan Alices followers only. I am tired of fragmented discussions
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@skobkin the question is about what that visibility should be.
@evan No, I mean what visibility out of available options did Bob choose.
If we're talking about Mastodon, currently he'd have "followers" and "mentioned only".Who'll see (and who ideally should see) depends on what he had chosen.
But if we're talking about a default selection (followers only), then we really have two rather different things AFAIR: who'd really see it and who should've been able to see that for it to be easily understandable by the end user. Although I think different people may have different opinions on how exactly should it work.
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@skobkin the question is about what that visibility should be.
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@evan Since the replie is followers-only, to Bob’s followers. Otherwise information that someone with a private account would expect not to be visible to anyone they didn’t approve could be easily leaked to people that they don’t know.
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@Jeremiah isn't that third set already included in the second?
@evan You're right. I would change my vote, but Mastodon.
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@evan there's the correct answer and then there's what happens on fedi
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@evan people who follow both Alice and Bob
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@skobkin the question is about how it should work.
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@evan EXACTLY what I imagined.
So, the answer would be visible to the intersect between them.
Of course, how that scales as *those* people reply... there lies the rub.
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@mayintoronto @evan Friendica has a system that allows you to define lists comparable to reading lists for posts (or custom-add viewers to posts as you go) - that would resolve this whole situation, and allow people to have more contextual human-shaped discussions (like taking discussion in which you’re trying to find common ground with someone outside your political sphere to the kitchen at a party rather than having your most strident friends come to chew them out for not being already correct, or being able to plan the surprise party or tabletop twist without the whole world and the targets of said surprise hearing about it.) I really want it to get some renewed developmental interest for that reason - mastodon, akin to twitter before it, is sort of a public broadcasting system….
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@evan I think the default presumption that everyone is welcome to become part of any conversation is only that: an unconsidered default assumption inherited from Twitter and specifically from early Twitter's growth-at-any-cost corporate goals. At the very least we should be considering counterbalancing options.
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@evan (though there are threat models to think about, like 'is one of alice's friends bob's stalker and they might see bob's reply and glean information from it?', which you just kind of have to bake in to the world-weary hellhole that is planet earth)
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@stefan@gardenstate.social @stefan@stefanbohacek.online the empty API result is expected, per https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/10/mastodon-4-5-for-devs/
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@evan yeah my experience in FB with friends-only posts is pretty great. my friends can post in my replies and see each other even if they're not friends themselves, and I believe I can nuke individual replies if I feel they're disruptive.
