It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use.
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@jorgecandeias @cwebber Is it even worse price wise than Framework ?
(Which is known to be a fair bit more expensive than the x86 competition).
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@Sobex Usually arm64/aarch64, but there are some other modules, including a (soon to be revived) FPGA module (that one's just for some very particular developers), and there were some demos of a RISC-V module. But it's generally ARM64.
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.
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@jorgecandeias @Sobex I'm pretty sure they're cheaper than a Framework. The Pocket Reform certainly is.
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@listentolist @Sobex I haven't yet; running Guix on top of Debian when using it. There have been people working on it:
https://community.mnt.re/t/guix-and-reform/173/44It could use more help though!
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@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.
A lot of people are bringing up price as a downside. This is true insofar as there are certainly cheaper offerings on the market which are even more powerful in terms of specs, and with less fiddling required.
So that doesn't sound like a big sell! This is for people who want to have something repairable, and want to help *get* the state of hardware to a better safe, to help invest in hardware for a future we can still control.
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A lot of people are bringing up price as a downside. This is true insofar as there are certainly cheaper offerings on the market which are even more powerful in terms of specs, and with less fiddling required.
So that doesn't sound like a big sell! This is for people who want to have something repairable, and want to help *get* the state of hardware to a better safe, to help invest in hardware for a future we can still control.
Overall, the MNT Pocket Reform is just over 1k EUR. Which is what many laptops go for. Certainly if you go looking for cheaper options, you will find them though.
But it is an expense. And an even bigger expense from the MNT offerings: time, hack energy, and patience. This is the biggest thing I'd warn about: you have to be willing to fiddle with the thing and take part in the community. MNT's offerings are getting better and better, but we're still at early adopter period.
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Overall, the MNT Pocket Reform is just over 1k EUR. Which is what many laptops go for. Certainly if you go looking for cheaper options, you will find them though.
But it is an expense. And an even bigger expense from the MNT offerings: time, hack energy, and patience. This is the biggest thing I'd warn about: you have to be willing to fiddle with the thing and take part in the community. MNT's offerings are getting better and better, but we're still at early adopter period.
But with all that said, if there's *anywhere* that there's a market for a hack-it-yourself laptop that's highly configurable, it's the fediverse!
And the original point of this thread wasn't "this is the best value for the price point". That's not an argument I'm making.
The point I argued is that we *need* hackable hardware in order to keep participatory computing alive, and MNT's offerings are the best bet we have.
And I fully, fully believe that much is true.
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It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use. I really think the hardware from MNT is the best bet we have for a computing future we still have a say in https://mnt.re/
I'm hoping the MNT Reform Next is going to make MNT's stuff more accessible to a wider variety of people
I'm hoping the MNT Reform Next is going to make MNT's stuff more accessible to a wider variety of people
Sadly out of my price range, will stick with second hand Think pads and for me must have, Linux.
Looking at the site and specs.
I really like the idea of easily user replaced battery cells. That should be required by law, -
It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use. I really think the hardware from MNT is the best bet we have for a computing future we still have a say in https://mnt.re/
I'm hoping the MNT Reform Next is going to make MNT's stuff more accessible to a wider variety of people
@cwebber Sadly, without support for today's software (and yes, I'm talking about x86-64 CPUs), MNT will remain extremely niche. Don't get me wrong, I do like what they are doing. But what's the point right now if most people can't run many applications commonly used on it?
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It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use. I really think the hardware from MNT is the best bet we have for a computing future we still have a say in https://mnt.re/
I'm hoping the MNT Reform Next is going to make MNT's stuff more accessible to a wider variety of people
@cwebber is this open hardware or "open" hardware? cuz having a laptops and other mobile devices with open standards for which others can make parts would be great
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@cwebber is this open hardware or "open" hardware? cuz having a laptops and other mobile devices with open standards for which others can make parts would be great
@16af93 It's open as far as they can! The system-on-a-chips aren't fully open but every part MNT makes is, and the boards and form factor and etc all have open schematics
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@16af93 It's open as far as they can! The system-on-a-chips aren't fully open but every part MNT makes is, and the boards and form factor and etc all have open schematics
@cwebber so others could make their own parts?
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@cwebber so others could make their own parts?
@16af93 Yup! Absolutely! And many people have!
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@16af93 Yup! Absolutely! And many people have!
@cwebber any places where one can see the results of those entities?
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@16af93 Yup! Absolutely! And many people have!
@16af93 There have been cool hacks to add extra ventilation, change out input devices (mouse and keyboard), add different displays, and many other things from the community!
At one point a bunch of users decided they wanted to try some different plates for the form, and they did that without talking with MNT.
@jfred also sent me a lovely custom plate that I use on my Pocket!
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@cwebber any places where one can see the results of those entities?
@16af93 Some examples:
https://community.mnt.re/t/i-3d-printed-a-custom-lid-back-panel/1321
https://community.mnt.re/t/solving-heat-related-issues-with-custom-lid/2809/66
https://community.mnt.re/t/broken-trackball-key-tabs/3491/9
https://community.mnt.re/t/ortholinear-keyboard-kit/337/13There are a bunch of others, that was just from a quick search!
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@cwebber Sadly, without support for today's software (and yes, I'm talking about x86-64 CPUs), MNT will remain extremely niche. Don't get me wrong, I do like what they are doing. But what's the point right now if most people can't run many applications commonly used on it?
@cameron_bosch Of course, ARM is extremely popular today! But you're right that x86 is still the most popular option.
I started a thread for people to discuss options, but I don't believe it's likely we'll see an x86 option soon. https://community.mnt.re/t/x86-boards-lattepanda-mu/3931
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform@cwebber Thanks for talking about this. Ironically, I was in a thread before this mess started choosing between @mntmn & #Framework:
https://fedi.copyleft.org/@bkuhn/115288857091836217Folks have been mentioning @novacustom a lot, & some have said it may be fewer proprietary blobs than MNT Next will likely need.
Do you have any thoughts on them?
I just can't survive on these X200's & T500's anymore (despite having a big stack of them).
& man will I miss track points😔
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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@Yaku palindromo:
"Al riparo, ora...pirla!"
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@ArtBandini @NicholasLaney gli sia lieve la messa a terra
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Medioriente. Firmato l’accordo di pace. Ma dopo due anni di orrori, sangue, bombe e macerie il percorso è pieno di insidie
@giornalismo
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Magari l'alteo ha un voltaggio minore e non li aggrada
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