Has Gaza done better with Donald Trump or Joseph Biden as President of the United States?
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@evan I hate this question (sorry!) - Gaza hasn't done well under any US President since Clinton, there are no options I can vote for in this question. I'd say that US Presidents have had very little impact since the 1990s, Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyahu have had a much more significant impact.
@dneary the question isn't whether Gaza has done well; it's which presidential term has been worse.
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@dneary the question isn't whether Gaza has done well; it's which presidential term has been worse.
@dneary I hate this question, too, by the way.
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@evan there is no "better" genocide
@matildalove this is the best answer here.
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@evan none of the above
@sethmelton could you elaborate?
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@evan well the main problem is that, since the US has been so much worse off with Trump that most of the coverage has shifted away from that situation
So like it's not the easiest to discern, but the Trump admin seems to be...completely uninvolved with much of that situation
@countablenewt maybe for some people it's easier to discern.
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@countablenewt maybe for some people it's easier to discern.
@evan that's definitely true, especially for those who are more directly involved or more specifically looking to stay updated
But in my experience as a person who tries to be generally informed, specific news about Gaza has to cut through a lot more noise like ICE deportations, Ukraine, Central America, and US healthcare regulation (which I need to keep a pulse on for work)
At least in that sense: a general understanding from the public, it's been significantly harder under Trump to maintain
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@evan that's definitely true, especially for those who are more directly involved or more specifically looking to stay updated
But in my experience as a person who tries to be generally informed, specific news about Gaza has to cut through a lot more noise like ICE deportations, Ukraine, Central America, and US healthcare regulation (which I need to keep a pulse on for work)
At least in that sense: a general understanding from the public, it's been significantly harder under Trump to maintain
@evan As a result of reduced media coverage, we see less of what's going on over there, so the general population isn't pushing for the US to make a better effort over there
the nation generally has a weaker pulse on what's going on over there so we as a nation aren't able to do our part as well
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@evan As a result of reduced media coverage, we see less of what's going on over there, so the general population isn't pushing for the US to make a better effort over there
the nation generally has a weaker pulse on what's going on over there so we as a nation aren't able to do our part as well
@countablenewt this is all true! But media coverage is not reality; the tree falls in the forest even if CNN doesn't cover it.
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@evan Netanyahuh didn't care either way and peace for Gaza is a task that cannot be solved by the US alone. So I couldn't reply this time.
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@evan Netanyahuh didn't care either way and peace for Gaza is a task that cannot be solved by the US alone. So I couldn't reply this time.
@jwildeboer none of those points were the question.
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@evan I'm surprised you would even make the comparison. The evil Donald represents is specific and unique.
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@evan I'm surprised you would even make the comparison. The evil Donald represents is specific and unique.
@Gustodon so, you think for Gaza in particular, the difference between the world before Jan 2025 and after Jan 2025 is such a qualitative difference that it's unreasonable to even compare them?
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Thanks, everyone, for responses and replies.
I think this is a hard question; it might even be an obscene question. Tens of thousands died before and after Trump took office. As one commenter put it, there is no "better" in a genocide.
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Thanks, everyone, for responses and replies.
I think this is a hard question; it might even be an obscene question. Tens of thousands died before and after Trump took office. As one commenter put it, there is no "better" in a genocide.
But the question seems to keep coming up, and it probably will more as we head into the 2026 midterm election season in the US. Are Arab Americans right or wrong to pressure Democrats to more vigorously oppose the genocide in Gaza? One aspect that comes up in discourse is whether things have been worse or better since Trump took office.
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But the question seems to keep coming up, and it probably will more as we head into the 2026 midterm election season in the US. Are Arab Americans right or wrong to pressure Democrats to more vigorously oppose the genocide in Gaza? One aspect that comes up in discourse is whether things have been worse or better since Trump took office.
I did some back of the envelope calculations. They are dark; I'm sorry. But according to the best official figures available, about 47K people had died in Gaza by Jan 2025; the number in November is about 71K. So, about 3100 people per month died since Oct 7 in Gaza under Biden; about 2500 per month under Trump.
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I did some back of the envelope calculations. They are dark; I'm sorry. But according to the best official figures available, about 47K people had died in Gaza by Jan 2025; the number in November is about 71K. So, about 3100 people per month died since Oct 7 in Gaza under Biden; about 2500 per month under Trump.
That is some disgusting meat grinder math, and I'm sorry I did it.
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That is some disgusting meat grinder math, and I'm sorry I did it.
Also, there was about 1 week of a ceasefire under Biden, and about 10 weeks in the 2 ceasefires, poorly observed, under Trump.
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Also, there was about 1 week of a ceasefire under Biden, and about 10 weeks in the 2 ceasefires, poorly observed, under Trump.
One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.
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One big difference between the two is that the Biden Administration stuck to the Oslo consensus on a two state solution within the pre-1967 borders, and opposed at least publicly annexation, expulsion and extermination. The Trump Administration does not oppose any of these crimes in principle, and for a while eradication was Trump's preferred policy choice. The ceasefire agreement from October does not entertain these as an option, though.
Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.
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Under these circumstances, if I press myself, I'd say that the genocide has been horrific under both administrations but slightly less intense under Trump.
I don't know what this means for US politics. Should Arab Americans and pro-Palestinian allies vote blue no matter who next year?
Should they STFU and avoid putting pressure on Democratic candidates to commit to an arms embargo, recognition of the State of Palestine, or other controversial pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide positions?
Or, conversely, should they use this opportunity and their leverage to pull the party in the direction to actively oppose crimes against humanity?
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