How do I deactivate the new theme on #Godot 4.6?
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@yurisizov @zuru Huh, I thought a lot of the space issues I was having were directly related to the theme... Maybe I should flip back and forth to see what the theme *actually* changes so I'm better aware đ
@bryce @zuru Unless I am mistaken, you are talking about changes from this PR and other such issues:
https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/103257
This is an improvement that is a part of the layout and it applies to any theme you can use. Themes define colors, fonts, icons, and styleboxes, but not arrangement of elements.
That's kind of my biggest frustration: this change is tooted very hard, but it's a superficial change. UX could've been improved without it at all.
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@bryce @zuru Unless I am mistaken, you are talking about changes from this PR and other such issues:
https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/103257
This is an improvement that is a part of the layout and it applies to any theme you can use. Themes define colors, fonts, icons, and styleboxes, but not arrangement of elements.
That's kind of my biggest frustration: this change is tooted very hard, but it's a superficial change. UX could've been improved without it at all.
@yurisizov Gotcha, thanks for the clarification! I feel like defaults carry a lot of weight - I recall a panel about some AAA game (maybe Assassin's Creed?) where they experimented with subtitles being off vs on by default across titles and noticed that only ~20% of players would turn them on if they were off by default, but ~80% would leave them on if they were on by default. Many people might not even know there *are* multiple themes and so only the default will have eyes on it.
I think a good first step might be a 2-3 question "first time launch" form. "What theme do you want" and "do you prefer tabs or spaces and how wide is your indentation?" would both be good options I feel most people would like to specify.
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@yurisizov Gotcha, thanks for the clarification! I feel like defaults carry a lot of weight - I recall a panel about some AAA game (maybe Assassin's Creed?) where they experimented with subtitles being off vs on by default across titles and noticed that only ~20% of players would turn them on if they were off by default, but ~80% would leave them on if they were on by default. Many people might not even know there *are* multiple themes and so only the default will have eyes on it.
I think a good first step might be a 2-3 question "first time launch" form. "What theme do you want" and "do you prefer tabs or spaces and how wide is your indentation?" would both be good options I feel most people would like to specify.
@bryce That's right, if something is poorly discoverable, then it's an issue with the onboarding experience.
Frankly, there hasn't been any popular custom theme until this one was created by passivestar. So it's hard to know if people find them easily or not, since there hasn't been much to find before.
They definitely found passivestar's fine enough.
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@bryce That's right, if something is poorly discoverable, then it's an issue with the onboarding experience.
Frankly, there hasn't been any popular custom theme until this one was created by passivestar. So it's hard to know if people find them easily or not, since there hasn't been much to find before.
They definitely found passivestar's fine enough.
@bryce But there are also other things to consider: signaling to the community and maintenance cost.
IMO, adopting the only popular custom theme like that discourages growth of custom themes. Same for any other community-driven expansion of engine defaults. You need to show that not being adopted is viable, that community work can have value without being accepted as "official".
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@bryce That's right, if something is poorly discoverable, then it's an issue with the onboarding experience.
Frankly, there hasn't been any popular custom theme until this one was created by passivestar. So it's hard to know if people find them easily or not, since there hasn't been much to find before.
They definitely found passivestar's fine enough.
@yurisizov I have never installed a custom theme, myself, but I also don't follow many "influencers" online, so it's totally possible one guy on TikTok made a video that went viral about "the default Godot theme is UGLY and THIS is way better." It happens with coding patterns often enough (for better or worse).
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@bryce But there are also other things to consider: signaling to the community and maintenance cost.
IMO, adopting the only popular custom theme like that discourages growth of custom themes. Same for any other community-driven expansion of engine defaults. You need to show that not being adopted is viable, that community work can have value without being accepted as "official".
@bryce And then, as I mention above, I think the old theme will degrade with time. You now need to test editor changes in 2 themes (and, ideally, in both dark and light modes), and general UI changes in 3 themes.
And normally, we'd rarely ever test light mode with PRs, because that's not what most people use, including devs. That's just a lot more work that the team will not do.
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@yurisizov I have never installed a custom theme, myself, but I also don't follow many "influencers" online, so it's totally possible one guy on TikTok made a video that went viral about "the default Godot theme is UGLY and THIS is way better." It happens with coding patterns often enough (for better or worse).
@bryce Well, passivestar is a sort of influencer and notable person all by himself :) He's not on Masto, though.
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@bryce And then, as I mention above, I think the old theme will degrade with time. You now need to test editor changes in 2 themes (and, ideally, in both dark and light modes), and general UI changes in 3 themes.
And normally, we'd rarely ever test light mode with PRs, because that's not what most people use, including devs. That's just a lot more work that the team will not do.
@yurisizov That's why I see discoverability as the main problem here. If users are presented with 2 options (with neither selected as the default to skew results) then maybe we can get *actual* numbers on which one is preferred.
If neither is preferred (really close to a 50/50 split) then at least each theme has enough users so they can quickly notice unmaintained elements rather than letting them pile up.
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@bryce Well, passivestar is a sort of influencer and notable person all by himself :) He's not on Masto, though.
@yurisizov Ah, that probably explains it; I'm kind of only on Mastodon now, as it comes to social media...
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@yurisizov That's why I see discoverability as the main problem here. If users are presented with 2 options (with neither selected as the default to skew results) then maybe we can get *actual* numbers on which one is preferred.
If neither is preferred (really close to a 50/50 split) then at least each theme has enough users so they can quickly notice unmaintained elements rather than letting them pile up.
@bryce At this point, there is probably little reason to go deep into data. That's something that could've been done earlier to validate the assumption that the change is desirable.
Now, it's not going to be turned back, so eh. Also, Godot doesn't collect analytics đ
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@Kathee_HDS @iakobsdesamos Ara em faltaria trobar si es poden configurar els padding de les coses, que no sÊ ni si Ês pot, però sembla que era necessari treure el padding d'absolutament tot i ficar-lo en llocs on no feia falta, ningú sabrà mai per què.
Ja he perdut quasi una hora amb la tonteria, Ês depriment, però ja em callo, perque estic super opinionated amb aquest canvi i em sap tambÊ greu per qui hagi ficat l'esforç en fer-lo. Vull pensar que hi ha una raó lògica darrere d'ell.
@zuru @Kathee_HDS NO HI HA CAP PUTA RAĂ, ĂS UN CANVI DE MERDA I NO HE TORNAT A TOCAR GODOT DES DE LA 4.6 PER CULPA D'AIXĂ đ¤Źđ¤Źđ¤Źđ¤Źđ¤Ź
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Comincia con levare questo, mettere quell'altro, poi di nuovo cambiare..
X rimuove la possibilitĂ di impostare il Dark Mode da app, funzionerĂ solo seguendo le impostazioni del telefono.
Nikita Bier ha dichiarato che "è una roba inutile". Come tutta la piataforma, in fondo.
https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/x-formerly-twitter-removes-dark-mode-night-mode-option/814011/
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Tutti a crescere piante di basilico
https://mastodon.social/@rsiinfo/116186529534386735
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@stefano yeah, it seems like his customers were from the same age group, so that might also be the reason to continue (and eventually, to retire).
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@paolabonacini @ju @Uilebheist non saprei, informati con la gggente 8-D
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