I just finished an amazing call.

[dch@bsd.network]

@stefano nicely done. I’ve had this a couple of times in my career, and stepping away while telling the person they’re “completely right” is the only winning move. They’re invariably customers you don’t want to have anyway.

[nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@mwl @stefano You just can't fix willful ignorance. I did a gig for a body shop a few years back, connection made by my wife who, as an insurance adjuster, knew that they were unhappy with their current MSP.

It wasn't that their MSP was doing a bad job, it was that they wouldn't let their MSP do anything beyond a shit job. They were absolutely, and completely opposed to any and all computer security because, "No one is going to steal a body shop's information, no one will ever hack us." Needless to say, they had numerous problems they refused to believe were due to security issues. They had an open share file server sitting on the same network as the guest wifi. Guess what I found all over it?

I fixed one issue for them, then decided to nope the fuck out. Also, the one owner's son would absolutely never shut up about bitcoin.

[xenophage@infosec.exchange]

@nuintari @mwl @stefano Have you head the good word about our lord and savior, Satoshi?

/me ducks

[bsdtv@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@stefano question: were they referred to you by the same person who rudely insisted that SSDs 'spin'? Agreed. You dodged a problem here.

[michel@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@stefano well, it says Ubuntu on the image, doesn't it?

[mvilain@sfba.social]

@stefano The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one. I asked a candidate what the difference is between a VM and Docker container. Interview ended shortly after that question.

[jana@social.jsteuernagel.de]

@stefano Reminds me of a person at work insisting that a container contains a full operating system.

So I made it a point at a previous presentation to show that a container can also just contain a single binary and nothing else.

[stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@bsdtv ahahah no, not the same referral.

[stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@freezr no...this was clearly leading to more problems than advantages

[akamran@indieweb.social]

@stefano I am not in any way, shape, or form a programmer or other type of computer toucher and even I know that isn't an OS, for heaven's sake!

[x_hace@mastodon.green]

@stefano

Did you try:

"Where do you want me to install docker host?"

[monospace@floss.social]

@stefano

[radio_azureus@ioc.exchange]

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@stefano

[brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk]

@stefano @freezr Yes, it sounds like they are the type of customers who would question your every invoice.

[regendans@todon.eu]

@stefano Excellent👌

(And I am wondering now whether I would be tempted to say "I don't support DockerOS, bye" in such a case 😇)

[synlogic4242@social.vivaldi.net]

@mvilain @stefano TBF I think one common point of confusion comes from folks who get like Docker Desktop and run it like an app on Mac. by default on Mac if you "run" a Docker image the container runs under a Linux instance running on a VM. For total newbs its hard to make distinction between processes, containers, OS, hypervisors, VMs etc. blurs together. on Windows the UX might be similar. on Linux the Docker impl is much thinner because it doesnt need to add a full VM on top of the host.

Now add the complicating factor that many Linux instances reachable on the Internet may themselves be running on VMs rather than bare metal, etc

turtles all the way down

lots of newbs think Docker is an OS+VM when in reality its much thinner than that. its the Desktop/non-Linux versions

[frang@meow.social]

@mvilain @stefano "Do you _actually_ understand _anything_, or can we both go home now?"

[furicle@mastodon.social]

@stefano docker os, or DOS for short.
Invented by Steve Jobs right?

[strog@social.strog.org]

Theseus's Operating System:

If I swap out docker for nerdctl, ctr, etc. and later swap out containerd for CRI-O, youki, etc. then is it still Docker OS? 🙂

Funny how the container and host unames match. 😉

[yendolosch@23.social]

@stefano

> I told the guy that I couldn’t help him, since I'm not experienced enough with operating systems.

The only winning move is not to play.