New Vivaldi release for Windows, Mac & Linux.
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That is something we are still working on, but you can select which elements to hide in the settings.
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@ed , I think moving away from Chromium is not an option at this time. Having made a browser from scratch before, Opera, I know what it takes to build a browser from scratch and there is a reason companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft have not done it.
I think there is great value in us growing and being able to contribute more to the Chromium project. I think that can make a significant difference.
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Not really. At Opera we built a browser with as much as 350 million monthly users. Still we had to deal with compatibility issues as sites would block us. Not least sites by Google, Apple and Microsoft. That is after building the browser core with the best standards support of them all.
It is most natural for us to go with Chromium to ensure compatibility. Making things work with multiple engines is also too time consuming. I think it is best that we put in the resources to influence Chromium in the best possible direction. A Strong Vivaldi can do that.
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@jon This browser has been eluding me for a long time, idk why. 🥲
Why do people choose Vivaldi?
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@jon This browser has been eluding me for a long time, idk why. 🥲
Why do people choose Vivaldi?
I guess you have to ask our users, but I believe there are a number of reasons users choose us:
1. Features. Just a lot of useful features. Workspaces, tab stacks, tab tiles and a lot of flexibility in the UI.
2. Privacy. Built in tracker and ad blocker and a stand against the surveillance economy.
3. No integrated AI.
4. No Crypto currencies.
5. Made in Europe. Headquarters in Norway, team and servers in Iceland and developers in Norway and Iceland and a few in other European countries.
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I guess you have to ask our users, but I believe there are a number of reasons users choose us:
1. Features. Just a lot of useful features. Workspaces, tab stacks, tab tiles and a lot of flexibility in the UI.
2. Privacy. Built in tracker and ad blocker and a stand against the surveillance economy.
3. No integrated AI.
4. No Crypto currencies.
5. Made in Europe. Headquarters in Norway, team and servers in Iceland and developers in Norway and Iceland and a few in other European countries.
@jon Thanks for the reply!
I like the browser approach that avoids crypto and AI, everything you described, and the fact that all the infrastructure is in Europe rather than the US. 💪
And I like Norway! 🇳🇴 ☺️
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Not really. At Opera we built a browser with as much as 350 million monthly users. Still we had to deal with compatibility issues as sites would block us. Not least sites by Google, Apple and Microsoft. That is after building the browser core with the best standards support of them all.
It is most natural for us to go with Chromium to ensure compatibility. Making things work with multiple engines is also too time consuming. I think it is best that we put in the resources to influence Chromium in the best possible direction. A Strong Vivaldi can do that.
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@jon@vivaldi.net hard to give message to big tech while being a Chromium reskin :(
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At Opera we had the largest team of any company engaging with writing the Web standards we all use today. There are some guys working on Chromium today that are former Opera people, but sadly they do not work for us.
We can contribute more and have more of an influence with a larger company. Currently we spend a lot of time just modifying and improving functionality, but we are not getting much of our changes into Chromium. We hope to change that, but first we must grow more.
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@dallo@pouet.chapril.org @jon@vivaldi.net @ed@livellosegreto.it considering Chromium is a Google project made by mostly by Google, i dont think some downstream can really influence them at all
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At Opera we had the largest team of any company engaging with writing the Web standards we all use today. There are some guys working on Chromium today that are former Opera people, but sadly they do not work for us.
We can contribute more and have more of an influence with a larger company. Currently we spend a lot of time just modifying and improving functionality, but we are not getting much of our changes into Chromium. We hope to change that, but first we must grow more.
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@ed , I think moving away from Chromium is not an option at this time. Having made a browser from scratch before, Opera, I know what it takes to build a browser from scratch and there is a reason companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft have not done it.
I think there is great value in us growing and being able to contribute more to the Chromium project. I think that can make a significant difference.
@jon @ed It's reasonable to stick to a well-tested engine, as long as you make sure that upstream doesn't start deprecating vital functionality (like Manifest v2). In that regard, do you have any particular blockers that stop you from releasing the source code for the rest of the application? I can't trust myself to put my personal passwords in a browser that may or may not be secretly funneling them elsewhere, and relying on Ghidra and Wireshark to verify it is suboptimal. -
@jon as long as you avoid "AI", I'm in.
(WTF is "AI" doing in _anything_, in the first place, is beyond me) -
@jon Just got a very enthusiastic demonstration of what is possible with the new tiling, time to upgrade!
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@jon as long as you avoid "AI", I'm in.
(WTF is "AI" doing in _anything_, in the first place, is beyond me)@DataKnightmare @jon Hi Jon. Great work at Vivaldi. Here we appreciate so much your work and your browser. Please consider every day about use of AI. I (and a lot of people here in Italy!) don't want any of this f*ked chatbot in my browser. So keep going on, I will share to every my friends about this.
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@dallo@pouet.chapril.org @jon@vivaldi.net @ed@livellosegreto.it considering Chromium is a Google project made by mostly by Google, i dont think some downstream can really influence them at all
@tragivictoria @jon @ed Well Jon think they can
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@jon This browser has been eluding me for a long time, idk why. 🥲
Why do people choose Vivaldi?
@sesav because its awesome! (Switched from Opera back in the day, never looked back) - keeps adding useful/usable features which FF + Chrome then add later ..
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@jon "While other browsers add AI summarization and Edge pushes Copilot integration, Vivaldi 7.8 ships features users have actually requested"
🧑🍳💋
that's so delicious 😋
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@jon recently switched and quite happy with everything so far.
A point I haven't seen others make is the first start-up experience: Optional account; letting me know about the feed reader, calendar .etc without pushing it; customization with a couple suggested themes and tab placement without being overwhelming...
Plus you can just x out at any point and use the thing. It was a really good experience!
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@jon That is a really awesome release and proves one more time, we are on the right browser!
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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@game @aitech non la conoscevo, a differenza della teoria di Penrose che ho citato. Se ho capito bene, però, qui si parla più che altro di un sistema emergente e non riduzionista. Sulla prima parte possiamo discutere, ma direi che al momento un LLM è riduzionista.
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@gubi @luiginapoli @oblomov io più che altro i bot spammoni li becco su altre istanze
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people might joke but this is where the it industry is headed and nobody is safe. it doesn't matter if you are good or bad, you are just another commodity. just look at how many engineering jobs were cut in the past 18 months. Oracle is now reporting it will cut 30k jobs. there is no regulation in place and by the time our politicians wake up there will be nothing left. once it was a thriving industry and now it is on the brink of collapse. the change is real whether you like it or not
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@stefano on a complety different topic, Time Capsule was based on netbsd(if I remember well). It saved my life, but wasn’t great hardware-wise (mine was dead, I guess that was a dc conversion pb, but never tried to fix the board), and the old sharing technology AFP was not great for over the wlan mounts. The same (dedicated hw with zfs and smb) would rock nowadays.
Oh wait, an Italian guy did write somethin’ on the topic…
true info: I would love apple to get back in the timecaspule/airport technology, simplicity-wise it was great. At this time user experience was the core of Apple. I miss these days.
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@Gina @quintessence @_elena yes! Fedifriends will unite again in person! 🫶🏻
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CECOT --> ICEcots
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@_elena @cwicseolfor @skinnylatte
Sadly, it hasn't worked for me 😔 I would still love to get a recommendation for 3D modeling software that would let me complete my walkthrough model of the airship from my books.
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Mi sembra riecheggiare la Teoria dell'informazione integrata
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teoria_dell'informazione_integrata
