Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@lynfox @bazcook @ikuturso

right but we can still vote and elect dems to control congress and freeze his agenda

this whole sentiment "the usa is already nazi germany" is self-defeating: you want trump to lose, right? so why act like he already won everything? trump is not untouchable. why act like he is? do you want to help trump? i don't think so, but that's what your words are doing because you're presenting a fallacious rationale that voting doesn't matter anymore. it still matters

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @lynfox

and fucking vote

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@MrTulip

that's assuming usa is already full blown nazi germany

it's bad but it isn't that yet, so you can vote, and can make a difference

this rationale your presenting is saying a vote is useless. so people don't vote. so trump wins

so you're helping trump

do you want to help trump?

i don't think so, but that's what you're doing

so don't do it. don't present this "everything is already full blown fascism" fallacy. it doesn't help

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @lynfox voting is the starting point.

[radioclash@retro.pizza]

@benroyce I am amazed anyone travels to the US for ANYTHING - be it World Cup or Olympics, They have put our citizens in ICE detention, and those of fellow Europeans.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @lynfox

right, voting isn't all you do. it's just a tool in your tool chest. the other tools need using too

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @lynfox Nepal showed us the tool set needed to change things.

[pascaline@mastodon.nl]

@hamishtpb

AMEN, Hamish!
Wow, this is all so delicious.

@benroyce

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox @benroyce Nepal showed us the way to democracy, Americans just need to be willing to do it.

[bazcook@mas.to]

@benroyce @ikuturso @lynfox - much of the problem is that states *do* run the national elections. In many countries, the vote is handled by an arms-length federal agency. They set electoral borders (not just the state / provincial borders, but ensuring roughly the same number of voters are in each jurisdiction) and they are responsible for the count procedures. US states have a tendency to invent electoral borders to suit their Party of choice. And then there's your Electoral College...

[fourt4@mastodonapp.uk]

@benroyce solution: bully the participating nations using diplomatic and commercial levers, until they conscript fans to go.

[epilonious@toot.lgbt]

@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox I don't think non-Americans realize just how scared _Americans_ are of Americans that are Very Angry and feel completely justified in that Anger.

That is America's greatest export. It was called-upon to help end two world wars with great success and try to tip the scales in colony skirmishes with far less success.

The people on our money are people who managed to wrangle that dark magic of 'Pissed Off American' for a while without destroying the country.

[paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social]

@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Also, even under the premise that voting is meaningless, and Americans have to uprise instead: Voting, and getting everybody to vote is the best way to start an uprising. If millions of people vote and their votes are stolen, then they'll be motivated to uprise. If they stay home thinking their votes don't matter, and then the votes cast don't matter, all they'll do is say "I told you so".

[pascaline@mastodon.nl]

@radioclash

It's completely crazy.

That being said, and I may be get it for saying it, is that I think the entire organised football whatever is disgusting; football stars have nasty glittering egos; the organisation is all about money, boot licking, and even more money; and supporters behave like football is war.

Also: I never understood all the destruction and hooliganism. Why not ALWAYS be happy for the winning team, then it's always a party!

@benroyce

[epilonious@toot.lgbt]

@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox A bunch of the people who knew how destructive and terrible Pissed Off Americans could be... who spent DECADES going "Let's see if we can just contain these couple of grumps and trust these folks who say they have it handled and know how to keep 'em calm" are now glowing Red, White, and Blue with the flames of apoplexy at the sheer incompetence and unbridled pettyness.

All the "When they go low we go high" folks are now basically going "High road's closed."

[bazcook@mas.to]

@benroyce @lynfox @ikuturso - absolutely, Americans must vote. Everyone eligible to do so. Without fear of repercussion. Providing the government lets it happen. Or accepts the result.
I don't see a another January 6th - this time led by Democrats - happening. Or without significant bloodshed if it does.

[admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net]

@benroyce

I agree.. both parties need to give us candidates we can vote FOR, instead of candidates to vote AGAINST...

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@bazcook @lynfox @ikuturso

thank you

🙏

i just worry about talk that paints it as if trump is insurmountable. it deadens people's spirits

trump is defeatable

[kristen_d@mastodon.social]

@benroyce Good. Fuck the United States, land of the criminal pedophiles, home of the free billionaires to fuck everyone and everything because feelings. I hope it's such an embarrassing dud just like needledick Trump. #Loser #FIFA #WorldCup #Boycott #SuckUp #Assholes who capitulate.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@admin

100% agreed

but even if we don't get that, you still vote for the candidate that isn't an outright fascist. it's just self-preservation