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[benroyce@mastodon.social]

More #Bluesky #drama for you

Someone was suspended

Death threats? Plain criticism? I didn't investigate

But:

The suspension affects #Blacksky as well

All this talk about the *promise* of #decentralization

But that is not the reality

Cultists buy the promise and ignore the reality

Come to #Mastodon / #Fediverse

Oh we have drama too

Some instances suspend out of capricious bullshit, a Spanish Inquisition

But you still have reach:

We are truly #decentralized

https://bsky.app/profile/gregpak.net/post/3m2htgspjkc26

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[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@_elena

"surprised there hasn't been more talk on here about the implications of the false promises of AT Proto's #decentralization"

there's feverish true believers who think #bitcoin is the future of money

never going to happen: massive energy use

that doesn't stop the true believer

it's a cult

same with "#bluesky is #decentralized"

and my example of bitcoin is purposeful:

bluesky is run by #cryptoBros, and funded by #crypto bros

they imported the crypto con job to #socialMedia

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@_elena @benroyce i don't get it.
Blacksky afaik have, or it's close to have, all pieces of the atproto stack.

Then, of course, reach is compromised if 99% of people use just bluesky pieces, but that's also true for someone that's is banned by the top instances here.

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[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@luca @_elena

how is 99% bluesky "also true" for 25% mastodon.social's share?

it's not "also true"

99 does equal 25

in fact, large parts of the fediverse suspend mastodon.social

please read and understand:

https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/

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@_elena @benroyce

I could be wrong, but I think I heard Rudy Fraser saying that they also have a running app-view

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@luca @_elena

just scroll up

look at the top post

it shows someone is suspended on bluesky and as a consequence they don't show up on blacksky

it's like someone suspends you on mastodon.social, then also you're not visible anymore on sironi.tk

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@benroyce @_elena

I don't particularly like AT proto, aside the bridge, i'm not there, I find it extremely difficult to understand it, for no relevant reason to me.
On the contrary, ActivityPub can be understood in 5 minutes from anyone willing to.

What I mean is that, once someone prove to be able to fully self-host AT, it's up to people to do so.
It became open to decentralization.

Your account is on the flagship mastodon instance, that 25% is also concerning, ok, less concerning but still concerning.

I guess also mastodon.social had 100% of share at the beginning

Last year they got 100%, I don't think they have still 99%, but let's see in one year from now.

[irelephant@calckey.world]

@luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social They have bluesky's mod service added to their appview. They can remove this at any time, and substitute it with their own.,

[irelephant@calckey.world]

@_elena@mastodon.social @luca@sironi.tk @benroyce@mastodon.social Blacksky has their own relay: https://atproto.africa

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@irelephant @luca @_elena

scroll up

someone was suspended on bluesky and now aren't visible on blacksky

why do people comment without being aware of the facts

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@irelephant @luca @_elena

and i can make a ham sandwich

i didn't make one, but i could make one

so pretend along with me that i already have a ham sandwich even though i didn't make one

fuck reality, let's live in make believe

🤪

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[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@_elena @irelephant @luca ✅️

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@benroyce @irelephant @_elena

Ben, @irelephant (thank you for the name of the relay) is reporting public facts.

Given public facts, the reported story does not make sense, we're missing something, I won't be surprised if advanced #bluesky users, do config mistake, with all those lego pieces.

Fediverse is much easier, your instance, your moderation.
A small instance, you know the moderators.
A big instance, not your moderation

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@luca @irelephant @_elena

so you talk of "facts," then you allude to actual facts above that you reject, then you topic change and wave your hands about "you can't moderate yourself on a large instance" as if that means anything

thank you for your "facts"

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@benroyce @irelephant @_elena

Ben
- an existing relay, used by thousands of people is a fact.
- it's also a fact that without having native accounts there, and a deep understanding
of a difficult protocol, and based on screenshots and our desires to be right, it's difficult to understand what probably went wrong for that user.
Maybe he misconfigured some blacksky software, or he found a bug, I have NOT denied the story, I just said, before going around with torches and pitchforks, that is *strange*.

anyway, please, unfollow me.

You are way too aggressive on this topic (read ! scroll up ! understand !)
I mostly post stuff in italian, not necessarily related to holy wars, and you don't seem to be interested in understanding my points and my opinions anyway

[admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com]

@luca @benroyce @irelephant @_elena Even if it's a config issue caused by the system being hideously complex we would still seem to end up at the conclusion that you need to be a million or billion dollar company with a team of full-time engineers to actually try to build a full alternative implementation of this "decentralized" system. Its governance can at best be an oligarchy. By design.

If they wanted it to actually be decentralized they'd be finding ways to help people fix these issues.