Switch today, choose European

[elearningtechie@mas.to]

@chicraote I run a Murena phone because I'm sick of US spy tech, but none of my UK bank apps work on it because banks class the phone as 'insecure'. It's a colossal pain.

[chicraote@piaille.fr]

@graydon @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena This is not true : you can install most apps with Aurora Store (Google Play alternative) in anonymous mode. I closed my Google account years ago and I can install almost all the apps available on Google Play... Thank you @e_mydata and #aurora
https://auroraoss.com/

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@chicraote @graydon @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena those phone are not secure no thanks.

[schmaker@schmaker.eu]

@e_mydata @murena @graydon @chicraote @BuyFromEU I'd say you misunderstood. You can install apps, but you can't buy them

[gerenuk@c.im]

@Pettet8 @BuyFromEU Brave is basically Chromium (Blink) which ist still contaminated with Google. Only option are Gecko based browsers like Firefox (better Waterfox or Librewolf)

[graydon@canada.masto.host]

@chicraote I own and use a e/OS phone. I am not making theoretical statements.

I did not say "install". I said "buy". You cannot buy squeak without a google identity.

If I want the paid version of Flowx (an excellent weather app with real costs to talk to real servers with the weather data), I can't have it without a google identity. If I want the paid version of RealCal or GitSync, I can't have it without a google identity. Et multi cetera.

@schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena

[raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie]

@graydon @chicraote @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena
Revolut banking & An Post Banking not on Web. Only approved phones running Android or iOS.

[stekopf@mstdn.social]

@BuyFromEU

Try edit today, add an #Alttext 🙃

[graydon@canada.masto.host]

@raymaccarthy Yup. And that's difficult to distinguish from a de facto law requiring you to have a duopoly phone.

Which is not an appropriate stance for the public square which really ought to include "banking".

@chicraote @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena

[chicraote@piaille.fr]

@graydon @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena I understand, I wasn't aware of that. We've put too much power in the hands of Google Play and Apple App Store... How can we regain control ?

[lxrs@mastodon.online]

@BuyFromEU Ecosia and Qwant also like to spy, throwing AI and ads on us, just with a european label. Anything being european does not make it a good product.

[lancejz@mastodon.social]

@BuyFromEU I've been using DuckDuckGo for some time now.

[ancadinica@mastodon.social]

@BuyFromEU Sad, but true. 😪

[mkj@social.mkj.earth]

@gerenuk @Pettet8 Yes, this is a point that a lot of people are either unaware of or conveniently ignore when talking about browsers. Switching from Google Chrome to something else based on Google Chrome (or Blink, its rendering engine) does very little to free us from Google's influence in the web browsing space. I went into that in some detail in my blog post https://michael.kjorling.se/blog/2024/staying-with-firefox-for-now/

@BuyFromEU

[graydon@canada.masto.host]

@chicraote I would prefer a system where there's "postal banking", strictly public banking services, and a phone to be legal for sale must support use of the postal bank for monetary transactions through which means you must be able to make any transaction you can make by any other means for no greater real cost than incurred by other means than using the postal bank.

(It's not obvious that for-profit banking is itself a tolerable situation.)

@schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena

[rameshgupta@mastodon.social]

⬆️ @schmaker @BuyFromEU

>> Remember when #Microsoft got fined about only pushing one browser? Well, we are few years late with #Google #android lock-ins

No surprises here, as some of the same people moved from Microsoft to Google and started playing the same dirty tricks that got Microsoft busted in the first place

[aamurusko79@tech.lgbt]

@BuyFromEU The sad fact is that an average consumer will always use what's easy to get into, not what's morally or technically superior.

We are not selling this idea for technology enthusiasts who already understand the problem, but to a person who has absolutely no idea what these services even do technically, they're just the bright colored icon that let you do various things.

Then there's the whole matter of selling the idea that it's not good if you're being spied upon. My mom is a good example. She has various services on her tabled and she uses them daily, but she just won't understand what's bad about if a technology giant analyses all her communications. She will never be able to comprehend the core issue because it's all space magic when explained even with layman's terms.

Yet my mom is exactly the type that the campaigns to switch to European and trustworthy companies should be aimed for. It's however a tough sale to say she should start paying for them.

[canuckistanian@mastodon.social]

@BuyFromEU I'm using Vivaldi

[cockneylaurie@mastodonapp.uk]

@Savvyhomestead @BuyFromEU

Yes another one is WhatsApp... Try to convince folk to use Signal instead....
And meanwhile TV companies/the Government etc etc use WhatsApp/Twitter etc etc

[johnrohde@helvede.net]

@BuyFromEU @claushc After considerable effort I have now cancelled all Google subscriptions and payments. The migration were a bitch.