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  4. i nerd sniped myself tonight and i imagine the NSA operative who is assigned to me is very confused by the increasingly erratic and frustrated google searches for HOW DO I CALCULATE THE MOON WHERE IS THE MOON

i nerd sniped myself tonight and i imagine the NSA operative who is assigned to me is very confused by the increasingly erratic and frustrated google searches for HOW DO I CALCULATE THE MOON WHERE IS THE MOON

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  • Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤undefined Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤

    @aeva are you modeling real life or an approximation of it?

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    @efi yes

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    • aevaundefined aeva

      ok so back to the moon thing, i found another resource and i think i understand the why behind the asinine coordinate systems a little better but it also glosses over the math so it's kinda useless at the same time. i'm tempted to just make shit up and move on, but it would bother me that the function was wrong if i did that

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      @aeva is this one of those things where the approximate solution that drifts from reality by 0.0004% every year is like 3 lines and the more correct one is 5 pages of dense research and no one who writes about it is concerned with the idea that a reader may be a beginner and not know the difference

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      • aevaundefined aeva

        ok so back to the moon thing, i found another resource and i think i understand the why behind the asinine coordinate systems a little better but it also glosses over the math so it's kinda useless at the same time. i'm tempted to just make shit up and move on, but it would bother me that the function was wrong if i did that

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        @aeva I love the way everyone uses different names for parameters, and does everything from the POV of an observational astronomer ... Really useful for simulation work.

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        • aevaundefined aeva

          ok so back to the moon thing, i found another resource and i think i understand the why behind the asinine coordinate systems a little better but it also glosses over the math so it's kinda useless at the same time. i'm tempted to just make shit up and move on, but it would bother me that the function was wrong if i did that

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          @aeva i believe all our physical models diverge from reality on a long enough timescale. even quantum mechanics. every model is lossy compression / fitting of reality that we extrapolate from, starting at the time that the underlying measurements were taken.

          best thing i can think of is measure exact position of celestial bodies, then run a sufficiently detailed n-body sim with best guesses for all state we can not measure, starting at that point. and then restart every year.

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          • halcy​ :icosahedron:undefined halcy​ :icosahedron:

            @aeva is this one of those things where the approximate solution that drifts from reality by 0.0004% every year is like 3 lines and the more correct one is 5 pages of dense research and no one who writes about it is concerned with the idea that a reader may be a beginner and not know the difference

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            @halcy there's no closed form solution at all and from what i can tell the good solutions need to be rejiggered every few decades to stay accurate

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            • aevaundefined aeva

              @halcy there's no closed form solution at all and from what i can tell the good solutions need to be rejiggered every few decades to stay accurate

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              @halcy the real problem here is that academic astronomy best practice is to tie everything into spherical coordinates on the firmament so they can factor out the earth enough that you can pretend it is a fixed vantage point that doesn't spin, and if god forbid you do need to tie an observation to geographic coordinates for some reason i guess you just burn an undergrad on it and not sully yourself with the indignity

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              • aevaundefined aeva

                @halcy the real problem here is that academic astronomy best practice is to tie everything into spherical coordinates on the firmament so they can factor out the earth enough that you can pretend it is a fixed vantage point that doesn't spin, and if god forbid you do need to tie an observation to geographic coordinates for some reason i guess you just burn an undergrad on it and not sully yourself with the indignity

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                @aeva @halcy i'd stick to euclidean coordinates. if you must center, use the sun ffs.

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                • aevaundefined aeva

                  @halcy the real problem here is that academic astronomy best practice is to tie everything into spherical coordinates on the firmament so they can factor out the earth enough that you can pretend it is a fixed vantage point that doesn't spin, and if god forbid you do need to tie an observation to geographic coordinates for some reason i guess you just burn an undergrad on it and not sully yourself with the indignity

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                  @halcy i've got a feeling that this is what a self taught programmer feels when they try to work out how to sort stuff faster and everything they find is either programmers telling eachother to just use a library or academic formalist nonsense

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                  • Leonard Ritterundefined Leonard Ritter

                    @aeva @halcy i'd stick to euclidean coordinates. if you must center, use the sun ffs.

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                    @lritter @halcy the problem with euclidean coordinates is while they are mathematically convenient and very logical in isolation, they don't actually seem to occur in nature at all

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                    • aevaundefined aeva

                      @lritter @halcy the problem with euclidean coordinates is while they are mathematically convenient and very logical in isolation, they don't actually seem to occur in nature at all

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                      @aeva @halcy *throws the pythagorean theorem in the trash*

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